CyberHippie Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 What I mean is: If a band has a giant fan base, but I don't like their music, is it fair to say they suck? I mean if thousands and thousands of people love the band, then do they really suck? I can hate a popular band, but can I really say they suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Dave Mathews Band case and point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 ....you could just say all their fans are idiots...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questcequecest? Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 i think its fair. for example, i think great big sea sucks, and even more, theyre annoying. not to mention their idiot fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 quote:Originally posted by CyberHippie: What I mean is: If a band has a giant fan base, but I don't like their music, is it fair to say they suck? Yes, that is fair. I mean if thousands and thousands of people love the band, then do they really suck? Yes, absolutely. The people have no taste. I can hate a popular band, but can I really say they suck? Yes, in fact they suck more than if they were unknown. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 I agree Great Big Sea does in fact suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberHippie Posted October 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Alrighty... So the majority of pop music does in fact suck. Unfortunatly most people don't have the sense to know it I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 quote: Originally posted by CyberHippie: Alrighty... So the majority of pop music does in fact suck . Unfortunatly most people don't have the sense to know it I guess. Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud. McFarlane's Corollary to Sturgeon's Law: 10% of everything is great. Aloha, Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 quote: Originally posted by Booche: sweet. And to answer your question, I think that the majority of the people who listen to music are only exposed to mainstream, and therefore their taste in music ends there. With the massive epidemic of homogeneous radio stations the problem will get worse. Craptacular bands like Theory Of A Deadman and Simple Plan will continue to have tremendous CD sales, and there is nothing that Phish can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Musicface Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Oh, I love these kind of discussions because I'm very proud of the fact that I love a lot of bands that other people think suck. Cases in point: I love Great Big Sea. I REALLY love Dave Matthews Band (although admittedly I think they peaked for me about 3 or 4 years ago, but I'll still drive to Buffalo to see them.) One of my absolute favorite bands ever (Emerson Lake and Palmer) recently came in 2nd in Blenders "Worst Bands Of All Time". I'm UNBELIEVABLY excited about seeing Styx at Casino Rama on November, particularly because I think they are extremely entertaining with Larry Gowan singing the Dennis DeYoung songs - although I love Dennis too. As we all know, there are lots of people in the world who think Phish or the Dead suck. There are also people who think squash tastes good or that trickle down economics works. Hey, I think all these people are wrong, but they probably don't like some of the things I like either - particularly some of the things listed above. The point here, in addition to opening myself up to endless abuse, is that I've always believed there is an audience for most kinds of music (and most things in general, particularly when you're talking about art), and the fact that musicians are able to connect with that audience is really the goal. PalacePrincess made a good point about Sex Pistols - although I enjoy some other punk bands, personally I could never get into the Pistols, but I can totally understand how people can because they deliver what the set out to deliver. And I can understand how people can be into new country or Celine Dion or other things I really don't have the time of day for, because that's what they're looking for. Now, I _have_ seen a few bands in clubs and such that I really thought had NOTHING to offer in the way of either technically ability or entertainment value (except perhaps ironically) but I'd actually reverse Brad's rule and say 90% of everything doesn't suck to somebody, somewhere. That said, I'm still gonna make fun of new country and Celine Dion. Peace, Mr. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Musicface Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 P.S. I also used to kinda like W.A.S.P. but I grew out of it, but I do still like Def Leppard and Whitesnake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 The Cheese suck and they're popular- so yes. On the other hand Hall & Oates are popular but don't suck- so no. Great Big Sea obviously suck. I think the big dilemma is if we are actually in the latter of the two groups quote: the joe six pack who listens to pop radio and knows all the tunes that are played 10 times a day, and then there are music aficionados (usually self described) how can we proclaim to listen to shitgrass and call ourselves music afficianados. Music afficianados are people who read Pitchfork (not get roasted by them), people who discover bands like Broken Social Scene, people who know when tradition is being expanded upon and broken with not farted around with and pureed into baby food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 quote: P.S. I also used to kinda like W.A.S.P. but I grew out of it, but I do still like Def Leppard and Whitesnake. Sounds like you have some more growing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberHippie Posted October 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Whitesnake, nice! When I get home I'm gonna pull out my old "Trouble" cassette. Back in the day I really dug that album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 "shitgrass " I laugh whenever I see or hear that label........ BUT, I see some contradiction here: Music afficianados are people who read Pitchfork (not get roasted by them), people who discover bands like Broken Social Scene, people who know when tradition is being expanded upon and broken with not farted around with and pureed into baby food. And then: Hall & Oates are popular but don't suck. I guess there is only a contradiction if you see yourself as a music afficianado cause, Your favorite band reeeeeeeally sucks........ Well, i think they suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcane Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 It's reasonable to say that you don't like something. It is not reasonable to cast a subjective opinion as an objective fact. (Unless, of course, the band really does *suck*. Or you're talking about vacuum cleaners. Or aardvarks. Or octopii. I like octopus sushi, but hey, the things are covered with suckers. Mmmm, Chupa Chups ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottieking Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 I 'm with Arcane .Here's a little somethin' to stir the pot. Define suck. No really, try it. I'm not hacking on anyone here, but I think (and I'm as guilty as the next) we tend to rely on these colloquailisms a little too much. This sucks. This rocks. Why? I dunno, just cause... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Primus sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 quote: Originally posted by Jaimoe: Primus sucks. Muchmusic sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmellyPants Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 ben harper sucks the grateful dead rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 quote: Originally posted by Low Roller: quote: Originally posted by Jaimoe: Primus sucks. Muchmusic sucks. The people I work with and the cheques I get twice a month from MuchMusic do not suck. Most of the music videos played daily pn MM do suck... hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 quote: Originally posted by Low Roller: quote: Originally posted by Jaimoe: Primus sucks. Muchmusic sucks. The people I work with and the cheques I get twice a month from MuchMusic do not suck. Most of the music videos played daily on MM do suck... hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_sniffer_ Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 quote: Originally posted by Jaimoe: quote: Originally posted by Low Roller: quote: Originally posted by Jaimoe: Primus sucks. Muchmusic sucks. The people I work with and the cheques I get twice a month from MuchMusic do not suck. Most of the music videos played daily pn MM do suck... hard! Does Amanda Walsh 'suck'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 quote:Originally posted by _sniffer_: Does Amanda Walsh 'suck'? [/QB] I've never met her. However, Rainbow Francks sucked his way out of a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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