secondtube Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 and i'm 35 minutes into the 'intro', and the music is really starting to get boring. At first it was kinda cool, but its been going like this for over half an hour!I like jazz. Hell, i love jazz. I should REALLY be into these guys. Each member is really talented, but i'd rather turn on some Garaj Mahal or RW20congress....When did MMW drop their groove completely, and totally rely on this acid jazz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Good question. I used to love them, and although I wasn't at Evolve last year much of their newer material really bores me to death. I saw them in about 97 or 98 and loved them so it's too bad I'd rather listen to Joyslam these days. Who's got my heady Return to Forever cover band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted June 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 mmw from 97-98 is just so damn groovy...i dont know what happened... as for the RTF cover band? i'd go on tour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 I've never gotten into them, but if they are going the acid-jazz route, I'll never listen to them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberHippie Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Over the years, I've found them pretty hit and miss. Sometimes they are *really* experimental, and other times really groovey, and sometimes a mixed bag. From my perspective it's not so much the year, but just what mood they are in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-towns Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 I've seen them twice, once at the TO jazzfest a few years back and last year here in Calgary. The TO show was fairly boring but the Calgary show was phenominal. I'd say they are also hit or miss, I haven't heard to many live shows that i thought were hot, but the Calgary show really opened my eyes to just how awesome they can be. The show from 2000 where Trey sits in with them is pretty cool though, I would recommend checking it out if you already havent. peace.jamesd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 When did MMW drop their groove completely, and totally rely on this acid jazz? Ummmm... since when does "acid jazz" imply a lack of groove? Isn't acid jazz, by definition, jazz with dancey grooves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Aren't you, by definition, ignorant? From allmusic: The music played by a generation raised on jazz as well as funk and hip-hop, Acid Jazz used elements of all three; its existence as a percussion-heavy, primarily live music placed it closer to jazz and Afro-Cuban than any other dance style, but its insistence on keeping the groove allied it with funk, hip-hop, and dance music. The term itself first appeared in 1988 as both an American record label and the title of an English compilation series that reissued jazz-funk music from the '70s, called "rare groove" by the Brits during a major mid-'80s resurgence. A variety of acid jazz artists emerged during the late '80s and early '90s: live bands such as Stereo MC's, James Taylor Quartet, the Brand New Heavies, Groove Collective, Galliano, and Jamiroquai, as well as studio projects like Palm Skin Productions, Mondo Grosso, Outside, and United Future Organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted June 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 ok, how about this... when did mmw drop the groove, and rely on total ANTI-groove music? i did not know the exact definition of acid jazz...but what mmw played was anti-groove. is that a style of music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 I'll buy anti-groove, I won't except "danceable grooves" as a definition for an enormous genre. Sorry hammy, I'm a stickler for detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Free Jazz is anti-groove. So is a lot of Zappa's music, however it is not a term. It's an interesting concept however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questcequecest? Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 and i'm 35 minutes into the 'intro', and the music is really starting to get boring. At first it was kinda cool, but its been going like this for over half an hour! ... i thought you were talking about phish personally, i think their most recent album (?) uninvisible, is one of their grooviest... however, the only time i saw 'em, they played a lot of cuts from the dropper, a rather "un-groovy" album... and the show still smoked! based on d/l's, id agree they are hit and miss... probably depends if that baby medeski was crying over his steinway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 I'll buy anti-groove, I won't except "danceable grooves" as a definition for an enormous genre. Sorry hammy, I'm a stickler for detail. ***SIGH*** Sorry, I wasn't trying to provide a catch-all definition of "acid-jazz" - I was just pointing out that, as I haven't heard the show secondtube was talking about, his question didn't make any sense (actually, it wouldn't have made sense even if I had heard it - I just would have had a better answer). His re-phrasing of the question, however, did. As Jaimoe pointed out, "free jazz" is probably closer to what secondtube was talking about. You can have "grooves" and not be an acid-jazz band, but it's hard to be an acid-jazz band without incorporating some element of "groove". Please don't point out that any rhythmic beat is a "groove" and that therefore the presence of a steady beat implies the presence of a groove... I think we know what we're implying when we use "groove" in this particular context. Also, "except" is spelled "accept". Sorry, but I'm a stickler for details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevO Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 i've always seen the term 'acid jazz' as a term made up by record industry execs with no idea about what they're talking about, while the diverse group of musicians being pegged to the made up genre dismiss the term. sounds kinda like another genre we know well, hehe. but i think the music commonly called 'acid jazz' is far from free jazz. i thought that MMW show at the outdoor ampitheatre on the water at harbourfront centre a few summers ago was awesome! the one where bullfrog opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_eKuhnunist Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Isn't Root Down era Jimmy Smith considered Acid Jazz? If it is then godammit I like acid jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 geeks. I could listen to Billy Martin tapping his fingertips idly on a placemat and it might be some of the best drumming I've ever heard. How about this: MMW are a jazz trio. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberHippie Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 How about this: MMW are a jazz trio. Period. How about: MMW are a modern jazz trio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 How about this: MMW are a jazz trio. Period. How about: MMW are a modern jazz trio? Hmmm...I'm not sure. IIRC, "modern jazz" refers to the small-band jazz that arose in the '40s and '50s (as exemplified by the Thelonious Monk and Miles Davis bands of the era) beginning with bebop. Yes, MMW plays jazz that's influenced by a lot of things going on right now (e.g., their inclusion of DJ Logic on some tracks), which makes it "modern" (and it's improvised, so it's "jazz"), but I wouldn't put MMW in the same category as, say, the Miles Davis band with Coltrane. Aloha, Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 This is the nerdiest conversation ever. Please except my humble apologies for participating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questcequecest? Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 you havent learned anything from this thread, have you? accept - to receive, especially with gladness or approval. to admit, to endure... except - to leave out, to exclude. it seems these homonyms are like antonyms. just adding to the nerdliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Gullible - Easily deceived or dupedYou put the homo in homonym! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 I thought MMW were a jamband? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_eKuhnunist Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 I got into them as a jazz trio, went to a show and saw a bunch of phisheads. I'd probably leave them in some jazz category. Has anyone heard about Medeski doing stuff with John Zorn? I thought I read something somewhere but haven't been able to check it out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted June 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 i have this, it should answer your question: John Zorn's Emergency 08/29/99 Willisau Jazz Festival Willisau, Switzerland Source: SBD > DAT > CDR > EAC (extracted & verified) > shn v3 4 tracks [74:02] Size: 466 MB Setlist: 1. The Lost Crowd 2. Shrek 3. TV Time 4. ? Encore Musicians: John Zorn sax John Medeski keyboards Marc Ribot guitar Kenny Wolleson drums Notes: A really great sounding show. By my ears an A- to A ...but please add comments. I don't think this has been seeded here before. John Zorn and John Medeski! What more could you ask for!?! ***Please Do Not Encode to Lossy Formats for TRADING *** ***Do NOT Sell *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevO Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 This is the nerdiest conversation ever. Please except my humble apologies for participating lol its nice to have a place to go when ya need to let your music geek pride shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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