AD Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 no, there really isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I have no problem with guys refusing to waive their NTCs, they have every right. But I question why any competitive professional would want to stay in Toronto this season if given the option.Yes, I agree, because it is not going to get any better if they can't change the team. I can't believe Mats won't waive the no trade clause. I understand his loyalty and would hate to see him go, but the team is in shambles. We need help and this would help us out now and in the future. JFJ absolutely ruined this team. There was a big love in back a few weeks ago for JFJ, but that asshole screwed this team for a long time. Mats Sundin is the type of player that deserves a no trade clause. Kubina, McCabe, Kaberle, and Tucker do not deserve them. Brutal!!!BTW, Plomax, do you really believe what you are typing? Have you watched this team this year? Mats Sundin does not think he has a chance at the playoffs, he is just very comfortable where he is and does not want to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 But I question why any competitive professional would want to stay in Toronto this season if given the option. You wont figure out his reasoning. All that seems apparent is that Sundin doesnt believe in becoming a rental player and has stated as much a thousand times. That should be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I question why any competitive professional would want to stay in Toronto this season if given the option.Ive been contemplating this myself.The point has been made by numerous people that its not his fault that the Leafs are where they are - so is he just being stubborn? Is this his way of getting back at management? Are he and Tucker and McCabe and Kubina just laughing at everyone right now?Hard to say.Im looking forward to the playoff push! ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The Leafs have 61 points and 19 games remaining. To reach playoff heights, they'll need something miraculous akin to a finish of 14-4-1 and the kind of out-of-town aid usually reserved for flood and earthquake victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULTIMATE WARRIOR Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 It's the passion that unites them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Plomox is almost certainly a wind upI'm going out on a limb and guessing he's an alter ego of Canned Beats (long shot i know but it's fun to imagine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Plomox has intense html knowledge!!!i say we give him a no-trade clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULTIMATE WARRIOR Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Why can't I show excitement around here without having people accuse me of being stupid or be some sort of alter ego trying to cause problems??Why can't I still believe in my Leafs' chances?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 But I question why any competitive professional would want to stay in Toronto this season if given the option. You wont figure out his reasoning. All that seems apparent is that Sundin doesnt believe in becoming a rental player and has stated as much a thousand times. That should be good enough.I agree with this. Though I do think someone who is in the later stages of his career might really like to try and win the Cup there are so many other reasons he may not want to move.Unlike some of the other stiffs in Toronto that have no trade clauses, Sundin actually earned his through his play and the class he has shown over the years. It is not his responsibilty to accept a trade so the Leafs can improve themselves when for almost his entire time in Toronto management has made dumb decisions.Relocating is a lot of work for a player. It takes them away from home and where they are comfortable. Even if Sundin had of agreed and moved there is no gurantee he would go to the Cup winner. In fact very few deadline deals actually help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 (edited) actually his whineyness makes me think of Hux defending Bobby singing like William Shatner Edited February 25, 2008 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Sundin was extremely critical of Ray Bourque when he jumped to Colorado as a Cup rental. I find this decision indicative of his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Fair enough, and he's earned his right not to be treated like a little biotch, but why wouldnt he just accept a trade (for the sake of the team), then re-sign in the off-season(Its happened a billion times before)? This part I dont get, which makes me think theres something more here than "character" and "integrity". I think he's enjoying screwing with the mngmnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't think Mats has a malicious bone in his body. There's no way he wants to screw with the team and the city that has embraced him for so long. And I'll say it one more time, Mats hated Ray Bourque's ambition as a rental player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I think it's obvious, like badams is saying, that it's off-ice reasons keeping Sundin in Toronto.All this loyalty and don't believe in rentals stuff sounds like BS to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Exactly - I bet his Girlfriend is a real ball-breaker. Poor guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Rent-a-player plays a role. I remember Sundin being critical of Bourque back when he signed with Colorado, so this isn't something new. I believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 What was that about Bourque again Jaimoe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 What was that about Bourque again Jaimoe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Who the hell is Bourque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 This thread is making my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 All this loyalty and don't believe in rentals stuff sounds like BS to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I've never heard of this contempt for rental players business anywhere before. I guess Mats doesn't like it that other players have more competitive spirit than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I think Sundin is a good player and a good captain in certain aspects but I do sometimes question his will to win. It may just be his tempermeant an I am ok with that.One thing most people have been saying over the years is that the Leafs have never supplied someone of Sundins ability for him to play with. I agree with that and not just someone of equal talent but someone of equal talent who has the drive to win. Someone who would have pushed Sundin harder and further.I don't blame hime for staying and for not wanting to turn his life upside down. I think he is being true to his character. He is being loyal and at the sametime showing he is content. He has a lot to be proud of in his career but like many Leaf players over the last 40 years he still has no ring and that's what it should be about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Now people are questioning his will to win and his competitive spirit? Holy fucking retards Batman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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