Deeps Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 "People living with gang violence should not be forced to fund movies that contribute to that violence," Smith said in a press release on Monday. Link to Article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyB Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 [color:purple]It's only freedom of speech? That's not importantI hate these types of protests.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Wow. Valerie Smith really needs to get a hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 on a general scale, liberal, politically active, mothers drive me crazy. not than i know valerie smith is a mother.. but she fits the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchoulia Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 If you're going to protest this movie, protest how bad it is...50 Cent = NOT an actor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I find people like this woman to be inherently more dangerous than the things she protests.Keep this woman away from children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I find her voice to be necessary in a time of massive waves of sentiment in the opposite direction of hers...read: people shooting eachother up and kicking it bitch and ho styles in the name of so-called-music which is more than likely a vehicle for the artist to show how much bling they've got and therefore lack of moral fibre).It seems that just because something gets put on TV all day it ceases to be offensive. I don't think she should win, but I think incinuating that she's more dangerous then these low life record producers who haven't got behind a good vibe in years is far fetched at best.Deeps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I agree with you Deeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Marco ! Polo !MarcO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 she's a book burner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Marco ! Polo !MarcO?yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 50 cent is hate peddling dildo and is celebrated by millions of young people.Like I said, she shouldn't win, but her voice needs to be heard and for that matter, respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 (edited) I find her voice to be necessary in a time of massive waves of sentiment in the opposite direction of hers...read: people shooting eachother up and kicking it bitch and ho styles in the name of so-called-music which is more than likely a vehicle for the artist to show how much bling they've got and therefore lack of moral fibre).It seems that just because something gets put on TV all day it ceases to be offensive. I don't think she should win, but I think incinuating that she's more dangerous then these low life record producers who haven't got behind a good vibe in years is far fetched at best.DeepsRebuttle? Edited November 9, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 she makes a good point that it seems odd our tax dollars should be used to subsidize a film that gloifies the violence we're trying to curb (through our tax dollars paying for social programs and more cops). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodRev Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I'm going to side with Deeps and the (apparent) minority here. Yes, people who are activists for a living can sometimes be dangerous and/or unbalanced, but sometimes not; sometimes their personality breeds the activism (i.e. their wish to be opposed to everything they see as popular, out of bitterness or whatever), but sometimes vice-versa.This isn't a music issue, nor a free speech issue. 50 Cent promotes a lifestyle of violence and vehement degradation of women. He wasn't the pioneer, but he is certainly one of the greatest contemporary purveyors. This bullshit is awash in popular rap music, and hence has become contemporary hip-hop culture. I'm not talking about a conspiracy theory here; it's more a matter of each new artist, record, or song pushing the boundaries a little further and everybody else looking at each other and saying, "Well, I guess that's the new standard." I can't agree with an argument that, for example, insists that violent video games promote youth violence, but a live-action movie featuring a real-life teen idol engaged in all kinds of violent activity cannot be of benefit to us in any way.This woman won't win because she has no concrete grounds, but the fact that she's out there talking about it is good, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I'm gonna side with 50 on this... He should be able to put out whatever he wants if it's inside the law. Nobody is forced to see it. And the woman can protest it all she wants too. Free speech for everyone! AD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Ah, but she's not protesting to have the movie banned, it's just that she doesn't want it to get a tax credit (which, in essence, means that the public will, in part, be funding it) for having been filmed in Toronto:Valerie Smith, operator of the Free Radical website that fights media violence, has asked Minister of Community Safety Monte Kwinter to ensure that the film did not get a tax credit for shooting in Toronto in June.Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Should she succeed at manipulating the distribution of tax dollars for the arts and the point-of-sale distribution of music with lyrics that she finds offensive, then yes, I think her campaign is of greater detriment to society than the very things she finds offensive.Art is art, regardless if you find it degenerate or not. I don’t listen to gangsta-rap, and I certainly don’t share (most of) the values I hear within it, but neither do I deign to call it a “so-called music†form. Shall we ban the sale of Frank Sinatra CD’s also? From what I understand, 50-Cent really was raised by a single mother who was shot and killed in a drug deal when he was a boy, was raised by his grandparents, became a crack dealer and was shot nine times before the release of his debut CD. Is he supposed to rap about butterflies and vanilla? Is his movie supposed to be full of huggy bears doing the Charleston in front of a candy shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questcequecest? Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Is he supposed to rap about butterflies and vanilla? hahaha, like you'd even know it.fiddy mumbles like a fuckin' moron... what's he talkin' about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 sorry to paraphrase: if the Canada Council is gonna spend money on Voice of Fire and Meat Dress, we should give Hollywood movies that shoot in our country equal benefits, credits etc...My argument is fractured and makes no sense. But I support my own free speech. And I'd like a tax credit too please.AD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 what's he talkin' about?he wants to pull down your pants (just a little bit)ad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questcequecest? Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 he wants my crack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I'm gonna side with 50 on this... He should be able to put out whatever he wants if it's inside the law. Nobody is forced to see it. And the woman can protest it all she wants too. Free speech for everyone! ADProtesting itself is a form of freespeech... they're both right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 All these opinions are making my bowels twitch. Is anybody actually considering going to see what will undoubtedly be the worst movie of this year or any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 no.what bothers me is, that by her lobbying against a possible tax credit, should she be successful, it will deter future producers from considering the Canadian film industry as a viable alternative.one bad apple ruins it for the bushel.i guess people like her need to really sit down and think about what they are doing and if it really can affect the change they hope to bring about. personally, valerie smith sunk her teeth into the wrong fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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