AD Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hit the road, that's where the real money is.I think your premise that "no-one to a large extent buys music" is wrong, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hey Chameleon, i know Melba pretty well adn can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt, he spends tons of $$$ on music. Without question, he has bought all his crappy Wilco albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 ....but ya, I guess this day in age its all about ringtones and car commercials to cash in. I remember it wasnt too long ago when Dylan songs popped up on Bank commercials and everyone got theres nickers in a knot. Funny how our values seem to change over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 and as it happens, this week we actually have the power to directly affect the industry ... 50 Cent and Kanye Ouest in the battle of their lives. Whoever sell the most CDs during this release week for their new CDs gets to kill the other guy ... or, something like that. So, go out and support your choice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Isnt Kanye kickin ass? I dunno, we should ask our resident hip-hop afficianado, Dima. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Zimmy Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 We are not a vanguard of cool,we are adult contemporary!LoL adults ppfftt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chameleon Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 (edited) Hit the road, that's where the real money is.I think your premise that "no-one to a large extent buys music" is wrong, btw.If you look at the numbers people overwhelmingly are not buying music as they once were even 10yrs ago.Itunes is a drop in the bucket.Hitting the road is a way to make money for sure, but that is only one revenue stream and in this day and age where the music industry is imploding on itself, bands need mine many income streams...One is not enough...Also hitting the road, paying for gas, gear, roadies, hotels etc.. all cost money...It has to come from somewhere for these bands... Edited September 13, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavinginthewind Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 If you look at the numbers people overwhelmingly are not buying music as they once were even 10yrs ago.Itunes is a drop in the bucket.Also hitting the road, paying for gas, gear, roadies, hotels etc.. all cost money...It has to come from somewhere for these bands...Are there numbers that support the "people aren't buying, they're downloading" statement? And yes, I haven't seen the numbers. Where might I find them?I would like to think that Wilco and Ween and their managers have enough business sense that they would end up making money on a tour. If they didn't factor in the costs of gas, gear, roadies, hotels, well, they deserve what comes to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 This is kind of tangent. But ever since free trade ("when all our jobs went to Mexico"), we've as a society, really slowed down on paying money to people for the arts... we have to have 'things'. Just look at the old business of music. It was run on album sales and teamsters running the lines of distribution. The music fan was held hostage to what the majors would allow them to be sent to their local record store. In comes the internet, and poof... bye bye distribution cartel... and all the choice (both contempory and historical) that the listen/consumer had at their finger tips. Well it's done many things. Shrink the revenue pool available to the industry as a whole, increasing the number of musicians in the game, and tempting the groomed consumer (along with my freetrade argument) to stop supporting what was once the biggest reliable revenue stream in the biz. It has also allowed a bit of a renaissance in the industry in terms of the quality and innovation in the art IMO, and in time this should lead to a new dynamic in the touring/live performance somtime soon. But who is REALLY going to pay for it... to me it should be only one person... the one walking through the door to see the band.It's almost laughable at this point the hand over fist money that is coming in for those artist who have transcended this transition. Pink Floyd, Neil Young, Zepp, The police, all made a killing when CD's were in vogue, and now in the twilight of their careers are raking in huge amounts from the total live revenue stream. It's getting a little tougher to appreciate THESE artists for me because of what they DO charge vs. what they Can charge to make it modestly sustainable. But when the Cartels were running CD distributions... they were also running the tours. They were subsidizing the tours to showcase their acts so they could sell more CD's (or whatever)... so the tours would always lose money, meant to be made up with CD sales.Now that that's almost gone (even fewer big name acts are tapping this system)... artists are left to find another way.It gets discouraging dealing with the audience of grassroots shows when they get upset with having to pay $10 or $15 to get in, when more than likely this band doesn't have the distribution... or CD's to sell at the show, paid their own way to the show for the audiences benefit... more often than not they do a really good job... and usually walk out of the place poorer than when they decided to take the job in the first place. All because they don't have things... Now if music could be used to sell music, and Car companies didn't have to come in to make it all better by trumping all of say Wilco's tour money with one big lump sum payment... it would be a better world. As it stands... it's a hustle... and I bet you Wilco's doing okay... but they certainly haven't cashed in yet... cept of course for the standing ovations which probably feel pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 NEW YORK - As the recording industry wakes up from its summer slumber and starts thinking about what will motivate the consumer for the holiday selling season, the major labels are getting ready to launch the "ringle," which combines the mostly defunct single format with ringtones. Each ringle is expected to contain three songs -- one hit and maybe one remix and an older track -- and one ringtone, on a CD with a slip-sleeve cover. The idea is that if consumers in the digital age can download any tracks they want individually, why not let them buy singles in the store as well? It also enables stores to get involved in the ringtone phenomenon. Sony BMG Music Entertainment, which came up with the ringle idea, and Universal Music Group are going to be the first out of the box with ringles. The former will unleash 50 titles in October and November, while UMG will have anywhere from 10 to 20 titles ready. The Recording Industry Association of America has approved the "ringle" name, and there is an industrywide logo to help brand it. But except for Sony, each major still needs to cut a deal with a digital aggregator to allow consumers to redeem the ringtone. Meanwhile, label profit margins for the format are considered slim. The majors are gambling that the ringle can instil in consumers the mind-set to connect to the Internet via a CD. Sources suggest the ringle will carry either a $5.98 or $6.98 U.S. list price, while the wholesale cost to retailers will be less than $4. If it's $5.98, ringles will have a 31-per-cent gross margin, shy of the 35-per-cent profit margin that CD albums carry nowadays; if it's $6.98, that would give retail a 42.7-per-cent gross margin, similar to the profit margin cassette and vinyl albums enjoyed back in the day. On the plus side, big retailers such as Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy and Amazon have agreed to support the configuration, although all of them may not be ready to do so at launch date, sources say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 You could fit a hundred songs on one of those CD's... yet they put 3... and jack the price.Who the hell is driving the ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheebs Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 It was? I don't remember that at all. What was the commercial like?hey sorry it took so long to reply. It was a typical beer commercial, bar, women.but the song of course was "this buds for you"It was long enough ago that I probably heard the song in the commercial first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 "I probably heard the song in the commercial first."so did neil young, he parodied that Bud commercial in "This note's for you", not the other way 'round, i believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalacePrincess Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 [color:red]UGH! WEEN IS NOT A JAMBAND!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenenbaum Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 i think it was Audi that used Ween's "Ocean Man" 4 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalacePrincess Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 it was honda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalacePrincess Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 and for the record, i like hearing good music in commercials. it doesn't bother me at all when bands allow their songs to be used in commercials. if it's good music, it ups the company's street cred! ha. plus it's a great way to discover new bands. and i'd much rather listen to ween or nouvelle vague pumping out of my tv than that fucking kelsey's song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 "I probably heard the song in the commercial first."so did neil young, he parodied that Bud commercial in "This note's for you", not the other way 'round, i believeI think that is the mistake made here. Neil made fun of advertising like that in the song, and parodied the commercial in his video. Although I really have no problem with bands endorsing things to earn a living, I would be appalled to hear Neil did it, because he has been so adamantly against that type of thing in the past.... and I agree with the lovely young lady above. Ween is not a jamband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phorbesie Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 "We feel okay about VWs. Several of us even drive them."well that says it all to me. if you're buying ANYTHING, you are supporting that item/company. what's the difference between giving your support one way or the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 so, how much you think that jamband ween got for that commercial? enough to buy another soul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 jim guthrie, a fabulous canadian singer / songwriter (royal city, islands, solo stuff) made a large chunk of change writing that 'hand in my pocket' jingle. jim bryson / jon bartlett and andrew vincent made some nice moo-lah writing jingles for old navy. vincent wrote the 'get your fash-on' jingle, and now performs it at his shows as 'get your cash-on.i could go on. getting paid isn't exclusive of having integrity. getting paid means you can eat and live, and therefore create more art, which you can sell, or not sell, whatever you choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 amen brother. look at anais nin, writing porn for some patron or other at $1/word. It got good critical reviews after the fact as well, with her writing style inevitably influencing the stories and allowing her to write things she wanted to write Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 the whole thing is an each to their own situation some formats of music lend themselves to being able to link up to a commercial format without damaging the image of the band and some don't... some bands are anti commercial and renting their music would shoot them in the foot by alienating their fan base... some bands are neutral on, or even embracing or the capitalist dream and can let their music promote goods and services with impunity, probably even drum up some extra business out of it I personally have much more respect for bands who have a stable career who stay out of advertising mainstream commercial products (I really doubt Wilco faces any of the money problems that struggling musicians face, its more a little extra cake for the top of the cake pile)... if a band really is struggling I'd have more sympathy for them hawking their creative license some (just found out Lily Frost sold a song to Chevrolet, and think thats ok)... might be kind of cool to see some bands donate song rights to worthwhile charities like the World Wildlife Fund or to raise money for the people of Sudan or with aids or the like amusingly, first thing I thought when I first heard a Wilco song was "sounds like good music for a commercial" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 look at anais nin, writing porn for some patron or other at $1/word. It got good critical reviews after the fact as well, with her writing style inevitably influencing the stories and allowing her to write things she wanted to writeHoly fack, where did that come from? But yeah, with you on that. Miller, around the same time, was also receiving $1/word for the same stuff .. his "Under The Roofs of Paris" didn't come out nearly as well as Nins same work under similar conditions. However (and my bias is that I think him the superior writer), he did make some jokes about how he stretched out every little bit as long as he could in order to capitalize on length and many words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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