bouche Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I'm curious about what people think about all of these awards for a movie like The Hurt Locker. While I found the movie to be very well done, I don't understand why the direction, editing, sound mixing/editing was such a big deal.How hard was it for the director to envision Baghdad, when that place EXISTS? I am confused as to why something like Avatar didn't get James Cameron the award for best director.He had to invent technology. Then he had to get everyone to understand his vision, and get actors to make-believe, and create a world and sounds that didn't exist. Then put that all together into a movie.Isn't that what defines the best director?Hurt LockerBest PictureDirectingFilm EditingSound EditingSound MixingWriting (Original Screenplay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearsAlongTheSea Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 It makes no sense to me either. Good movie but nothing more than a well-done Day in the Life war film. Not to fly the conspiracy theory flag, but war sells or is rewarded accordingly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Cameron had technology invented. He may have envisioned it but I doubt he was writing code and making all the stuff himself. He's an idea guy and a great one at that.I saw Avatar and to be fair, I haven't seen hurt Locker...but chances are that Hurt Locker would be a lot more genuinely engrossing than Avatar, which demanded the technology to engross us into the movie.All actors make-believe. It's getting the audience to forget that when we're watching it, which did not happen with Avatar - which used the new technologies to distract us from the fact that it's make-believe.All directors have a vision and must get this across to the cast and some of the crew.To have to get a personal vision of a current war understood and worked towards by a whole cast and crew is (probably) a lot harder than a whole new world in a different time.While I liked Avatar, it felt a lot more like entertainment than art, which defines things a bit more to me - since the Academy Awards are essentially group-based, it doesn't really matter what I think about them.Which is great, since I think they're irrelevant.Seconded: Well done war films are almost a shoe-in for an award.YATS doesn't have to fly the conspiracy flag with his comments about the oscars, his signature does it all on its own.A director is considered for an Oscar nomination if he invokes the best performances out of every cast and crew member. That not just being the acting and visual effects but every aspect of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 It makes no sense to me either. Good movie but nothing more than a well-done Day in the Life war film. Not to fly the conspiracy theory flag, but war sells or is rewarded accordingly...Saving Private Ryan says hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted March 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I saw Avatar and to be fair, I haven't seen hurt Locker...but chances are that Hurt Locker would be a lot more genuinely engrossing than Avatar, which demanded the technology to engross us into the movie.really? you opened with "to be fair" and you weren't fair at all. Hurt Locker wasn't genuinely engrossing. I didn't feel anything other than alot of boredom.All actors make-believe. It's getting the audience to forget that when we're watching it, which did not happen with Avatar - which used the new technologies to distract us from the fact that it's make-believe.I guess you didn't see any of the comments and reports after the massive release? It seems that people really believed what they were watching.http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html"James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora."All directors have a vision and must get this across to the cast and some of the crew.that's my point. have you seen the behind-the-scenes for avatar? It's incredible what cameron had to do to get the vision across. that's my frigging point.Oh yeah, and don't forget either that they invented a LANGUAGE for the native navi in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak By Night Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Perhaps Avatar not winning had something to do with Cameron's "King of the World" arrogance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Creating technology or language isn't artistic film-making. And to show a real environment and have it be believable is a huge challenge compared to made-up nonsense. Also, James Cameron is a pompous jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I cant believe I am in agreement with Yours Truly. Shoot.Me.Now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Avatar didn't have a single acting nomination, nor was the screenplay deemed worthy of recognition.I would argue that any true best picture candidate HAS to have a story and performances to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted March 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I just don't see alot of director skill in getting a guy to stand in a suit and pretend he's disarming a bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 "qatlh tlhIngan Hol Dajatlhbe"That's Klingon for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearsAlongTheSea Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 a lot of stuff in defense of a movie he's never seen.That being said, why is Hurt Locker being compared solely to Avatar? There were other films nominated...And, my signature has nothing to do with conspiracy theories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I found Bigelow's directing in The Hurt Locker instrumental in delivering the tension and hopelessness of the war. Also, she shot the film in a cinema verite style, which underscore's the plot's gritty realism. I do admire Cameron's direction and vision, but Avatar has some big flaws and isn't as good, quality-wise, as The Hurt Locked or Up in The Air (the latter I liked better than The Hurt Locker). If you want to compare geek action pics, Star Trek delivers better than Avatar too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted March 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 my confusion started with the definition of direction and how much a director actually does to successfully complete a film. it seems to me that cameron did way more than bigelow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 You may be underestimating the roles of Cameron's art directors, animators and cinematographer (all deserve recognition). However, Avatar's story is tired, the acting is across-the-board stiff and jingoistic and the climax is predictable; it looks and sounds good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted March 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 You may be underestimating the roles of Cameron's art directors, animators and cinematographer (all deserve recognition). However, Avatar's story is tired, the acting is across-the-board stiff and jingoistic and the climax is predictable; it looks and sounds good though. I'm not underestimating at all, but he's THE director responsible for all of their roles too right? So, where is the oscar category for Best Story?Here's more on Avatar's upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 So, where is the oscar category for Best Story?Best Original ScreenplayBest Adapter Screenplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted March 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 So' date=' where is the oscar category for Best Story?[/quote']Best Original ScreenplayBest Adapter Screenplaywhere's the oscar for best stoner movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Large Marge Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I didn't think Hurt Locker was that great. I would have picked Precious over it for best pic. Maybe Bigelow won for direction cause it was the eve of International Women's Day (and her ex-hubby is a bit of a pompous dick). Avatar definitely deserved more credit than it got... perhaps the Academy figured the reward was in the unprecedented box office take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I cant believe I am in agreement with Yours Truly. Shoot.Me.Now.Ha! That's exactly what I was thinking as I read his post. I should go buy a lottery ticket now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im going home Donny Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Was in total agreement with YT myself but I guess I missed the memo regarding why such a thing should be so very shocking. Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 really? you opened with "to be fair" and you weren't fair at all. Hurt Locker wasn't genuinely engrossing. I didn't feel anything other than alot of boredom.It seems that people really believed what they were watching.http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html"James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora." It's incredible what cameron had to do to get the vision across. that's my frigging point.Oh yeah, and don't forget either that they invented a LANGUAGE for the native navi in the movie.I WAS fair. I didn't talk about how hurt locker was awesome or not, I came out of the gate commenting about how i have not seen the movie, so only had Avatar to go by.Maybe 'balanced' was what you read into that, but I certainly didn't use that term.As for Avatar being 'too real'...you must not have read anything I wrote about the technology or overall conceptual base (though my post wasn't as bloated and useless as it could have been)...So what if they 'invented' a language? Moviegoers were absolutely distracted by technology from the fact that they were in the theatre. It wasn't all direction Bouche. While Cameron deserves the nomination (IMO), after seeing Avatar I can say that I'm not surprised that he didn't win.YATS: I didn't really say that much in defense of the Hurt Locker. In both sentences I came to 'defend', they were qualified with 'chances are' and 'probably'.Creating technology or language isn't artistic film-making. And to show a real environment and have it be believable is a huge challenge compared to made-up nonsense. I wish I could think to sum everything I said up in 2 short sentences.Thanks, AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Was in total agreement with YT myself but I guess I missed the memo regarding why such a thing should be so very shocking. Huh.Don't post in the politics forum if you know what's good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skelter Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 My 10 year old was surprised that the Jonas Brothers 3D movie wasn't nominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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