Kaidy Mae Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Just heard on the radio that it is suspected that the Pope has died and the Vatican will be making an announcement soon. Here we go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 April fool's! The Pope is fine. He's drinking wine with Elvis and Jerry right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 flat line on the brain monitor according to Italian press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomFoolery Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I think that line has been flat for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Here's something I've been wondering: people are praying for the Pope to recover*. Let's assume he doesn't, and dies in the very near future. Assuming God exists, wouldn't that imply that God either couldn't intervene successfully (which implies he's not omnipotent), or didn't want to? Either way, the Pope's death must be taken as evidence that God wanted him in heaven at this point in time. But that would imply that people were praying for something that was going against God's wishes! How good can that be? Aloha, Brad * Even this alone is a bit weird: why pray? It can't be to let God know the Pope's sick, because God knows everything, and it can't be to express individual desire for his recovery, because, again, God knows everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I wonder what the Church will do if he is pronounced "brain-dead" but his body is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaidy Mae Posted April 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I wonder what the Church will do if he is pronounced "brain-dead" but his body is still alive. Jeb Bush will try to make him a ward of the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I'd love to know about all the behind-the-scenes intrigue over the succession, but then again, come to think of it, maybe I wouldn't. That's where all the real powerbrokers in the RC Church are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I wonder what the Church will do if he is pronounced "brain-dead" but his body is still alive. Oh God. Here we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 The timing couldn't be more apt, considering he had a feeding tube inserted. The difference is that he's cogent enough to say "Kill me", and fortunate enough to know that the official version will be "he died peacefully and ascended to the Promised Land" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 There are very strict rules about this... No lobbying, no promises, no discussing with others, no communication with outside world during election, etc etc etc... All under threat of ex-communication. Power-brokers in the RC Church are impotent when electing a Pope. AD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Here's something I've been wondering: people are praying for the Pope to recover*. Let's assume he doesn't, and dies in the very near future. ...... why pray? It can't be to let God know the Pope's sick, because God knows everything, and it can't be to express individual desire for his recovery, because, again, God knows everything. I would imagine the act of prayer is not simply for recovery but for safe passage to the other side and a minimum of suffering, an exercise in love, respect and compassion. According to unconfirmed reports at google.ca news, it seems the Pope has already passed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 One day I'll be pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paan Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 ... you mean poop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 No, that's what I'm gonna leave on your chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-towns Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokonon Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 why do "holy" people always act so pompous? according to the gospels jesus never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 why do "holy" people always act so pompous? according to the gospels jesus never did. Relevance? I have never seen the Pope act pompous. ad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokonon Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 um, have you seen the vatican, the outfits he wears and the posessions of the catholic church in general?what about the whole ring kissing thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWB Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 pull out his feeding tube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 um, have you seen the vatican, the outfits he wears and the posessions of the catholic church in general? what about the whole ring kissing thing? Seems to me like he's just fulfilling his job. I think tradition is separate from pomposity. And the man is close to death, I'm not gonna speak ill of him. AD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokonon Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 i don't mean him as an individual. i'm sure he's a great guy, (he is polish ) i just don't like the values that are promoted by having such ostentatious posessions and traditions when the founder of the religion preached a completely contrary set of values. think how much good could be done in the world with the financial resources of the catholic church. if instead of buying jewels and other displays of wealth and power the church could set up sustainable farming all over the world to feed the hungry. (just for example) if the church were to do this they could actually live up to their claims of being concerned with the fate of people instead of just being money and power hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blane Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 it's wierd because the main french newspaper here in montreal is reporting he's dead, yet Yahoo news is saying he's "weakened further"... How much further can one weaken than being dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 CNN says he's still alive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 i just don't like the values that are promoted by having such ostentatious posessions and traditions when the founder of the religion preached a completely contrary set of values. think how much good could be done in the world with the financial resources of the catholic church. That was pretty much what tweaked Martin Luther, when he went to St Peter's in Rome while it was under construction (in its present form); the opulence - in addition to the theological scam of indulgences which were intended to bankroll St. Peter's - revolted him, and made him protest. But then, what does Luther go and and do but back the aristocracy years down the road when the peasants get too uppity demanding a bigger slice of the pie. Catholics in the 20th c., meanwhile, have produced some pretty astonishing things (often in spite of their popes), like Liberation Theology in Latin America, which underscores the "preferential option for the poor" that the Second Vatican Council distilled from scripture in the 1960s, or peacemaking teams like the ones that put themselves in place in Iraq as human shields. And then you've got rich-bastard groups like Opus Dei to counteract all that. Protestantism in the developing world, meanwhile, has started to overtake Catholicism with a health-and-wealth brand of Pentecostalism that (I like to think) would have made the young Luther rethink his whole project. Kinda bleak, in terms of what it says about human nature, but I keep thinking that was part of the original Christian message, too - that power fecks things up, and should be avoided completely in favour of love. That's why I tend to think the job of Pope is an impossible one - it's so subject to all those magnetic currents of politics and self-interest. I think the most interesting times of this current papacy have been those when he's tried to make a point of being more authentic than his job requires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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