I far' date=' far, FAR better singer songwriter who did the whole loop thingy is Joseph Arthur. I'm not sure if he still does that or not - maybe he tours with a band now - but I saw him do a few solo shows about eight years ago and he was awesome. Why? His songs were light years better than Keller's. Songs, songs, songs - it's all about the songs. [/quote'] if i want looping and acoustic guitar, bruce cockburn does me just fine. better songs too. i do like some of keller's covers, and the gatecrasher song makes me laugh when i hear it...but i might just be getting crochety too.