MarcO Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I also can't help but think that Trey's drug use in some part played a role in ending Phish.Oh, I think it played the main role, except it wasn't only Trey that was facing some serious issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Now you've got to dish MarcO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Umm, public knowledge number 1:Chris Kuroda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 nothing to dish other than years of observation, trying to sort out fact from fiction on freewheeling message boards. I think I've got enough common sense and experience to be able to do that, although I admit there's no hard fast truths to be found in doing so. Trey and Brad Sands thick as theives, Kuroda going to rehab and missing the Vegas '04 shows, and let's not assume that McConnell - despite his level personality - was clean as pie either. Apparently he was a fiend as well. Trey has admitted that things spun out of control backstage around 1998. Harder drugs create dark, insular scenes and I think it is safe to assume Trey was not the only one around Phish to get lost in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Umm, public knowledge number 1:Chris KurodaI guess I'm not a member of the public, as I didn't know anything about that (or even what the "that" is).Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister slippery Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 cant remember the source, but wasnt there a recent Page interview when he was talking about his own personal need to kick cocaine?i may know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 They spelt Road wrong on the first line, looks kinda spotty to me. Although he is kinda fucked so?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Kuroda passed out at the lighting desk at a Vida Blue show sometime in early 2004. Sands had to go up and physically rouse him, mid-show, while Page just glared at the booth from the stage.A week before the Vegas '04 shows it was announced that Kuroda would not be attending the shows due to "personal reasons".During that run of shows, *someone* in or around Phish OD'd and had to be taken to the hospital.A month later, Trey's letter announcing the break-up, followed by Page's a week or two later.It is not hard to figure that drugs played a huge role in the end of Phish. Not the whole story, but a big part of it.And yeah, what I just shared cannot be verified. Take it or leave it. I reject plenty of hearsay, but not all of it. You just gotta keep tabs on who is dishing the dirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Mrky, I spelled road incorrectly. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balogna pogna Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) The only interview I've read with Trey where he discusses E he says he tried it a couple of times (while at raves) but found it to be "too predictable". He said he preferred mushrooms more. This interview was from the last 5-6 years and may have been from High Times I'll have to go home and find it tonight. Edited October 5, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balogna pogna Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) I always knew Phish ate a lot of e (personal info), back in the 90's, but the coke thing just seems so alien for a guy like Trey. Sorry, I was trying to quote this statement with my previous comment on E. The coke thing and Trey have seemed to go hand in hand for sometime now (at least from my personal experience have met someone who claimed he knew Trey's coke dealer).Perhaps in that interview I have Trey is responding/reacting to the other Phish members use of E.I will find it for some clarity on this subject. Edited October 5, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chameleon Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 The only interview I've read with Trey where he discusses E he says he tried it a couple of times (while at raves) but found it to be "too predictable". He said he preferred mushrooms more. This interview was from the last 5-6 years and may have been from High Times I'll have to go home and find it tonight.A couple of times! Whatever! I actually have personal knowledge of this one.During the European shows a good friend of mine was at the Paradiso show in Holland. He's a freaky looking dude who lives there some of the time and is very connected and speaks dutch. He was appraoched by someone in the "Phish Crew Family" and was asked to score around 200 pills. He did and for his troubles was given backstage passes for that show and a couple others. He said he persoanlly saw everyone backstage chewing e's like sweetarts. He said he say Trey and Fishman eat like 4-5 by setbreak, and probably another 3-4 before the show was done.A couple of times, yeah sure.I find it interesting that Trey would come clean about the freebase thing but gloss over the E thing.Wierd, party on..................psychedelics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balogna pogna Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure it was a High Times article because it was the first time I had ever read Trey admitting to using ANY drugs. He also goes on to say the whole band used to eat tons of 'shrooms and lock themselves in a rehearsal space for 12 hours at a time to jam and come up with new ideas etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I actually have personal knowledge of this one.Not quite. Your knowledge is second-hand, and, in legal terms, your story would be hearsay, in that you're not telling something that happened to your person, but something that happened to some other person and was told to you. (I'm not calling you or your fiend a liar, and if you meant "personal" as in your have a close personal relationship with someone who hooked them up with E, then I apologize for misunderstanding you.)Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 During that run of shows, *someone* in or around Phish OD'd and had to be taken to the hospital.So the obvious question is what is the speculation on who this was? Are you meaning it was Trey himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balogna pogna Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Okay I found the article I was referring to.In High Times August 2002 Trey talks about dropping acid in the desert in Utah and how that would usually inspire him to write music. High Times: What about Ecstasy?Trey: I've done it three times. It's not my thing. It's too predictable.Not that he has any obligation to spill his guts on his drug use in an interview. But on the other hand he didn't have to do an interview with High Times as those sorta questions were bound to come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Are you meaning it was Trey himself. If that is a true story, I have always doubted it was Trey unless it happened after the last show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) are we really wondering who OD'd if anyone actually did? Kuroda passes out at a vida blue show, misses some phish shows for rehab....weeks later phish is done...i'd bet it was kuroda that OD'd which struck fear into the hearts of his party buddies and they bailed. Edited October 6, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im going home Donny Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) ...getting gayer by the second... this thread that is but not as gay as slip fans. Edited October 6, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Funk Dawg Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 we must also remember that Page and his wife were breaking up or divorcing near the end of Phish and I think Trey was pretty close to the same fate... (not sure)all of these elements comming into play...sure paint a bleak picture of a band at the height of popularity.1/ Elevated personal Drug Use by the Band2/ The "Scene" itself were taking more dangerous drugs3/ Failing Marriages and strained relationships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 we must also remember that Page and his wife were breaking up or divorcing near the end of Phish and I think Trey was pretty close to the same fate... (not sure)all of these elements comming into play...sure paint a bleak picture of a band at the height of popularity.1/ Elevated personal Drug Use by the Band2/ The "Scene" itself were taking more dangerous drugs3/ Failing Marriages and strained relationshipsabsolutely, and #3 logically follows from #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chameleon Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I actually have personal knowledge of this one.Not quite. Your knowledge is second-hand' date=' and, in legal terms, your story would be hearsay, in that you're not telling something that happened to your person, but something that happened to some other person and was told to you. (I'm not calling you or your fiend a liar, and if you meant "personal" as in your have a close personal relationship with someone who hooked them up with E, then I apologize for misunderstanding you.)Aloha,Brad[/quote']Let me clarify Bradm. I was indeed saying I have a close personal friendship with a person that hooked up the band with e in Amsterdamn, and saw them consume it. But you are also correct my verbage was misleading as I personally was not present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Let me be clear. This thread is boring. Phish should stay dead, and be ground up into gefiltephish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 gefiltephish. That'd be the Phish cover/tribute band that can't do Friday night or Saturday matinee shows? Aloha, Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Do you think orthodox jews could go to a concert where Captain Beefheart opened and Cream headlined....ON THE SAME STAGE?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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