Booche Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Quit saying I am putting words in your mouth when you clearly had stated your opinion after Raycroft went to Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 What I said, and what I stand by, is that JFJ made a good gamble going for Raycroft. He had two good G prospects in Pogge and Rask - same age, same calibre, same number of years away from playing in the bigs - there was no way they would both develop in same system. So he dealt one for help now, and a former Calder winner.Now Raycroft may not have set the league on fire, but he won 37 games! 37 wins playing for the Leafs!? That's incredible. Did you watch that team last year? By comparison:Raycroft - 72 GP, 37 W, 2.99 GAA, .894 SV, $2.00M cap hitHuet - 42 GP, 19 W, 2.81 GAA, .916 SV, $2.875M cap hitNo one would be happier to see Raycroft fail than me. But quite frankly JFJ gave up a prospect for the guy that gave their lousy team a chance to make the playoffs last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Quit putting words in my mouth, put some ice on your raging boner for the Habs' farm system, and maybe you'll learn something.hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 DaveO's means of arguing because his rememories dont stand the test of time:Christina Rahmer - Dave, can you grab this jar for me?Dave - Why?Christina - Because you married me?Dave - How does that work again?Christina - YOU SAID "I DO"Dave - Dont put words in my mouth.And any Habs follower has a raging boner for the kids down in their farm system because there are a number of solid prospects. Raycroft was a failed experiment. If he wasnt, we did they grab another starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Leafs lose Wellwood to hernia, againSurgery On Saturday; Fitness regimen called into question by player's fatherMichael Traikos, National PostPublished: Monday, September 24, 2007Lack of conditioning may be the reason why Kyle Wellwood required abdominal surgery for the second time in nine months, surgery that could force the Toronto Maple Leafs centre to miss the first three weeks of the regular season.After Wellwood missed 33 games with a sports hernia last season, head coach Paul Maurice instructed the third-year forward to hit the weights and get stronger this summer.According to Wellwood's father, the 24-year-old took a different approach."He likes to take the time off to rest himself mentally," Rick Wellwood said in a telephone interview yesterday. "In the past that has worked for him. But maybe he's now going to have to do more in the summer ."Wellwood underwent a minor revision to his sports hernia repair by Dr. William Myers in Philadelphia on Saturday. It was the same area that required surgery fon Jan. 24.Reached on his cellphone yesterday, Wellwood said he was "doing fine" after the procedure, but declined further comment.It was back in July where Wellwood's frailty became an issue with his head coach. Maurice likened the 5-foot-10, 180-pounder to oft-injured teammate Nik Antropov, and told reporters that Wellwood would have to get fitter and stronger in order to remain healthy and play meaningful minutes this season."That physical maturity, I think, is the thing for Kyle that we're hopeful for," Maurice had said. "He needs to physically withstand the rigours that come with playing on the high-end offensive unit."Despite working with Leafs strength and conditioning coach Matt Nichol this summer, Wellwood seemed to accept that he would always be one of the smallest players on the ice."Am I one of the weaker guys? Yeah, I'm one of the weakest guys in the league, for sure," Wellwood said in July. "That's just my body type ? but I'm definitely fit enough."Wellwood was part of a group that skated together in August at the Leafs' practice rink in Etobicoke, Ont. But it was not until training camp began that he started to push himself, perhaps because he wanted to fully rest the injured area.As a result, no one--including Wellwood -- really knew how the groin would react until last week.He reportedly tweaked the injured area in an exhibition game against Edmonton on Sept. 18. He has not skated since."Probably, if anything, he should have done a test," Rick Wellwood said. "He decided to do one before the beginning of the season and then figured out he didn't pass. Maybe he should have done that in the summer."Doctors expect Wellwood to require three to four weeks of recovery time before returning to the ice. That would mean he would miss Toronto's season opener against the Ottawa Senators on Oct. 3 and could be out for another 11 games.Considering he was pencilled in as Toronto's second-line centre, as well as a key cog on the first power play unit, Wellwood's absence could be a serious blow to the Leafs' offence. In 48 games last season, he had 12 goals and 42 points.Toronto is also without off-season acquisition Mark Bell, whom the NHL suspended 15 games for violating the league's substance abuse program. As well, forward Boyd Devereaux has missed all of training camp with a foot infection."This is clearly not what we expected, but we'll deal with it and move on," said GM John Ferguson, who would not put a date on Wellwood's possible return. "He'll be back when he's ready and we hope that it's as quick as possible."Wellwood's replacement could come from a group that includes Chad Kilger, Matt Stajan and Alex Steen, according to Maurice. The problem is Kilger has never scored more than 28 points in each of his 11 seasons, Stajan is better suited in a defensive role, and Steen has never seen regular time as a centre in the NHL.It's unlikely a trade will be made to fill the void. "We've got players right here that will relish the opportunity to jump in," Ferguson said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I like Kyle Wellwood and his contributions to our team, but who cares what his Dad thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Toskala thought he played pretty well tonight, he was feeling good. Sabres 7, Leafs 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 You post in here more than Leaf fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Derek Roy looked sick as the first line center in Buffalo last night. I hope you all picked him as a sleeper in your pools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 You post in here more than Leaf fans. well, it's a thread about the maple leafs... i'm not gonna post about toskala in the food forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberdinghy Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Toskala thought he played pretty well tonight, he was feeling good. Sabres 7, Leafs 2.I couldn't help but laugh after he said that post game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Toskala's got that "winning" attitude! With him and Raycroft as the #1 #2 they're fucked. They're even more fucked with Millions McCabe still on the ice. BENCH HIM MAURICE unless he proves himself. I expect nothing out of this team this year. Christmas time should see JFJ ousted and Maurice on shakey ground if the players don't get behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I was at the game. He played like utter shite. Mind you, there were a couple of 5 on 3's, but for the most part he blowed.I know its only pre-season and all, and real fans dont judge a team based on one game that doesnt count, but shit man, it's gonna be another one of "those" seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I expect nothing out of this team this year. Christmas time should see JFJ ousted and Maurice on shakey ground if the players don't get behind him.Im just waiting this one out until Toronto's own Jason Spezza (who doesnt want to play for their hometown, the hockey mecca of the english-speaking world?) comes home and leads the team to the third round of the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 We can dream ... sometimes they come true This is gonna be one of "those" seasons i'm sure. Hell, i'm already thinking about "next year" There will be some REAL changes to personnel by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Man, how about we wait for the regular season to start before we write off this season? One bad game and you are thinking of next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Whitey makes a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Where exactly are the Leafs going to find cap space to sign Speeza? They already have somewhere in the range of $46M committed for 08-09 and will have Wellwood, Steen and Stajan as RFAs to re-sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Im sure they could, if they had anyone with half a brain driving the ship. How long is Sundin's contract for? Once they dump him they'll have a ton of room. Honestly though, I haven't put much more thought into it other than, it'd be awesome and it would make AD and Ollie cry like little girls. :grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Getting rid of Kubina would be a good start to freeing up cap space. I think this year is the second of his 2-year deal, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Whitey makes a good point.Yes, but large slow players with no hands dont magically become smaller speedier players with great stick skills over the course of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 All i'm saying is that I'm not expecting much from them this year. That's NOT based solely on last night's game. Pre-season means little (except for stupid injuries).With the make-up of the team, the blue line, and what the fuck's in net I just don't see a championship team.As for freeing up room on the salary ... well Sundin will be gone soon (or take a further paycut to stick around) and Kubina and McCabe should be sent packing. That right there is MILLIONS of bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Remind me never to come into this thread again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Don't come in this thread again ... oh wait, you won't be in here, so you won't be reading it. See you in the Sens thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I wonder if The Eagle or Cujo will come back to Toronto... can't hurt, can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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