Booche Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I dont understand how they keep emptying their bare cupboard. Didnt JFJ say last summer that they were going to start stockpiling their picks?In todays NHL, you need to develop your players. Trading them away before you even draft them is not how you do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Not to mention that I read an article just yesterday (possibly on Hockeybuzz) where JFJ stated that Raycroft was definitely going to be the #1 goalie in Toronto. Rumour has it that the Leafs are building a team so that they can get the first pick in 2009.Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Toskala put up great numbers on a great team, and was basically SJ's number one goalie until he got hurt and Nabokov took his job back.I like how in summary this has become Tuuka Rask and 3 draft picks for 2 'starting' goalies (one of which will be a FA at year's end) and a pure salary dump (Bell). Do the Leafs really have cap space to re-sign Toskala after this season? Raycroft is on the hook for $2M this year and $2.2M in 08/09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Personally, I don't believe anything that GMs, owners, etc. have to say to the press prior to a draft and the FA market opening up. Does anyone here actually think that they would show their cards before deals were going to go down? As much as i am not a fan of JFJ, I chose to ignore what he says since I'm sure most of it is red herring or plain old crap.I see this deal as the first step in getting something for more trades/dealings. I'm hoping that JFJ is able to fennagle deals to unload McCabe, Kubina and Raycroft now. You make Toskala the starter with CuJo coming back to be his backup. THAT would free up some cap space and leave the team no worse off than they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I'm hoping that JFJ is able to fennagle deals to unload McCabe, Kubina and Raycroft nowGOOD LUCK! You wont get much for any of those players, maybe get some of those late round draft picks back. Haha. JFJ is my hero! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 (edited) bah ... who cares ... as long as they are off the team and the payroll Go Hamilton Preds! Edited September 4, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Whatever Kev. Read this awesomeness:I'm confused.I constantly hear in Toronto that the Leafs are committed more than ever to scouting, drafting, and development than ever before. But assuming that the Leafs don't make a move today to pickup a first round pick, here is what they will have to show for the last FOUR drafts under John Ferguson:ONE first rounder - Jiri TlustyONE second rounder - Nikolai KuleminThat's TWO players drafted in the top two rounds, going back to 2004. The year prior they also traded their first round pick along with former first round pick Brad Boyes in the Owen Nolan trade.EDIT (from TSN): The first round pick is set for 2007, but if the player the Sharks want isn't available, San Jose has the option to move the pick to 2008 with a top 10 protection covering the Leafs. That means if Toronto's 2008 pick is a top 10 pick then it will slide to 2009.2004First rounder traded for Brian LeetchSecond rounder traded for Glen Wesley2005First rounder was Tukka Rask, later traded for RaycroftSecond rounder traded for Brian Leetch2007First rounder traded for Toskala and BellSecond rounder traded for Toskala and BellWhat's the point in investing in scouts if you don't keep your picks?Toskala is 30 and has started all of 99 NHL games - never more than 33 in a season.Bell will be 27 and set to earn $4.5 mil over the next two years. He's coming off a 21-point season where he spent time with the probably the best passer in hockey and has never broken the 50-point plateau.Both could work out but are they cornerstone players?Between 1998 and 2002 the Leafs had a first rounder each year and a second rounder each year. Not all their picks turned out but they still have guys like Antropov, Ponikarovsky, Colaiacovo, Pilar, Wellwood, Steen, Stajan, White and Kronwall to show from those drafts.Can you really make the argument that the Leafs are building their team 'the right way' now?Isn't it a little strange that the Leafs' two best players (Sundin and Kaberle) were brought in by Cliff Fletcher?If the Leafs came to last year's draft willing to trade Rask (who ironically took major strides this year) plus their first and second rounders this year, it's quite possible that they could have landed a legit top 20 starter. Instead they made fairly significant trades (especially by Leaf standards) to bring in a goalie two years in a row.What is the plan here?Are they drafting and developing? Are they sacrificing the future to make a run at the Cup?Are they just making it up as they go along and trying to get back to the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakis Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I would also be happy to give them away for free. Kinda like colangelo did with jalen rose. Didn't he also include a draft pick to get a team to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 JFJ should have stayed in the world of Mixed Martial Arts and left the GM'ing to people that haven't taken too many blows to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Bring Cliff Fletcher back ... I trade some picks for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 JFJ is a genius. He knows Raycroft sucks, and he can't win with him... so he's going to bring in a diamond in the rough. Bell was fun to watch when he was with the 67's... he benefitted big time by having Brian Campbell and Nick Boyton feeding him the puck though... maybe he can thrive with Kaberle and McCabe...Who signed Raycroft? They should fire that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 So, how does ya'll feel about yesterdays trade now?Knowing that Cherepanov and Esposito were still available at the number 13 spot has to be a steel toe greb kick to the ribs. Fuck, hating the Leafs has never felt so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmelbatoast Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Go Ducks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 How is that Kariya piece the cover story at sportsnet.ca????? ::starts writing an email:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakis Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Because there are more leafs fans than, canadian fans, sens fans, oiler fans, canucks fans and flames fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 I could care less about their popularity Jackass. The problem here lies with the fact that Kariya is no longer a finisher, he is not going to be their saviour and that report is simply a preference piece. It is grounded in nothing. So the guy wants to see Kariya in a Leafs uniform. Who fucking cares? He should have sent this crap to Hockey Buzz, Hockey Trade Rumours or Hockey Leaks. Front page news should be front page news. All this article does is get a bunch of horny Leaf fans running around each other and slapping their dicks into one anothers arses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Kariya is a good player but he is not going to save the Leafs. They are more than one player away from seriously contending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 The first piece of the puzzle for the Leafs would be a new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Yet another goalie... That JFJ is a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmelbatoast Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 I think that makes it pretty clear that he's going to dump Raycroft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Exactly DJmelba. I think JFJ is doing a decent job this off-season. Their team has definitely improved from last years. The Blake signing is a little bit of a gamble but they should make a solid push for a playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOutGuy Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dumping Raycroft was the first thing I thought of when they signed Clemmenson... should dump a couple of million more so Im sure he's not done dealing this off season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 For a few minutes (when they were not sure what was happening with Hasek) there was a rumour that Detroit was interested in Raycroft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Hey, kudos to JFJ if he actually is able to move Raycroft. I wouldn't have thought that there'd be any interest in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I agree. The problem is that he's not good enough to be a starter and he's too expensive for a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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