Dr. J Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Was talking to James yesterday.On Saturday, he and the band (Spades) were returning from a series of shows in Quebec when they got pulled over by the cops about 10 mins. from the Ontario border. The reason given was that the sticker on their licence plate was 2 days out of date. They explained that they had been working in Quebec, but would have it taken care of as soon as they got home.No deal. They were given a $430.00 fine. Just doesn't seem right to me. Is that reasonable grounds for being pulled over in Quebec? Is that a reasonable fine for such an infraction? Any suggestions about what they should do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Yes. The vehicle was not licensed to be on the road, therefore, it wasn't even insured.The cop had the discretion to give some time for James to remediate this, but chose not to exercise that discretion. That's the cop's choice.Short answer: Methinks the band is "S.O.L" as we say in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak By Night Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Stick it to the man. Don't pay the fine and move to a different country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. J Posted November 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I understand what you're saying StnMtn, but the range of discretionary power (a few days vs. $430) seems to be rather wide here. Am I wrong or is the fine for the same offence in Ontario like less than a third of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 the problem is that the fine isn't $420. if it were then all would be right in the universe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms.Huxtable Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Yeah the fine sucks BUT people generally know months in advance of when their sticker expires. Anyone who knows their birthday anyway. Working out of province isn't an excuse.No one can predict an accident. All vehicles on the road should be insured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 No idea. Look up the Highway Traffic Act. http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/index.htmlIn any event, it wouldn't matter. They are subject to Quebec law while in Quebec, and discretion can be exercised or not; entirely at that party's "discretion". It is very hard to appeal such a decision, normally, as discretion is generally deferred to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. J Posted November 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I understand what people are saying regarding one accepting responsibility for one's actions. Believe me that's a message I've preached, personally and professionally, for many years.It's just that the amount of the fine struck me as being excessive compared to what happens in Ontario.....but maybe as Davey boy says it's Ontario that's out of whack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 They are usually pretty strict when it comes to expired stickers in Ontario too. They don't often give you a chance to get the sticker and then nullify the ticket. I was lucky last week and got all my expired stuff reactivated (emissions test, plate stickers, driver's licence, OHIP card). It would have just been my luck to get nailed driving with an expired licence and stickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I was lucky last week and got all my expired stuff reactivated (emissions test, plate stickers, driver's licence, OHIP card). It would have just been my luck to get nailed driving with an expired licence and stickers.Don't you mean to say you were motivated enough last week to get your stuff renewed? How does luck play into any of this?Except for the luck that you hope to run into a cop with discretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I think it was LUCK that I didn't get pulled over by a cop looking to fill end-of-the-month-quotas and hit the jackpot with me! Fucking meter maid nailed us with a ticket for stopping in a no stopping zone (car was still running and the wife was in the car). No warning, no nothing (and not on one of the busy streets either). $60 later, FUCK! That was as much as the speeding ticket my wife got in a school zone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 i think, technically, you only have until the actual birthdate of the registered owner, not until the end of the month of that birthdate. the 'grace' period already given was the balance of the month. still. sucks. sounds like a callous cash grab, nothing more. obviously they were looking for "green" stickers (or whatever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak By Night Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Fines for traffic violations are significantly higher in la belle province. But, smokes and beer are cheaper. So it all balances out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Fines for traffic violations are significantly higher in la belle province. But, smokes and beer are cheaper. So it all balances out!Also, drivers are significantly worse in la belle province. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I got stopped in Toronto for having a sticker that was months past it's time. She gave me a warning, and when I got back to Ottawa I updated it. If I hadn't cut the cop off, thus forcing her to be behind me, I'd probably still be driving with expired stickers.That's good policing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hmmmmmmmm.To play Devil's Advocate, and for argument's sake:Velvet pulls back onto the highway after the nice cop let him go. Velvet causes an accident later that day, by hitting a pedestrian paralyzing that person for life. Insurance company denies coverage due to unregistered vehicle. Paralyzed person has only Velvet to go after. Velvet does not have vast sums of money to pay the claim. Paralyzed person lives with whatever money can be extracted from Velvet.Lessee here. Velvet wouldn't have been on the road if the cop had his car towed away right then, pending updating his registration. He would next be on the road when his car was properly registered and insured, so if something like this happened there would be a pot of money to pay Paralyzed-Guy, who is now living without income or any way to take care of himself, unless he pays for it.Do you think Paralyzed-Guy would consider that good policing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 speaking of cutting off cops. two months ago, a kid in a rubber band honda scooted his way along a single line of traffic which narrowed due to construction. he tried to force his way in front of the car in front of me which happened to be an unmarked cop car, who proceeded to scream at him "what the fuck is your problem?" the kid froze and as far as I know is still sitting there dumbfounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Fucking meter maid nailed us with a ticket for stopping in a no stopping zone (car was still running and the wife was in the car). No warning, no nothing (and not on one of the busy streets either). $60 later, FUCK! That was as much as the speeding ticket my wife got in a school zone!Was she stopped in a no stopping zone? If so, then I can understand the fine. There are too many people that stop in the worst no stopping places and put on their hazards as if to say "I'll just be a minute". I wish everyone of them to get a ticket.You and your wife deserved a $60 fine for ever other car that you incovenienced and I hope that you learned your lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hmmmmmmmm.To play Devil's Advocate, and for argument's sake:Velvet pulls back onto the highway after the nice cop let him go. Velvet causes an accident later that day, by hitting a pedestrian paralyzing that person for life. Insurance company denies coverage due to unregistered vehicle. Paralyzed person has only Velvet to go after. Velvet does not have vast sums of money to pay the claim. Paralyzed person lives with whatever money can be extracted from Velvet.Lessee here. Velvet wouldn't have been on the road if the cop had his car towed away right then, pending updating his registration. He would next be on the road when his car was properly registered and insured, so if something like this happened there would be a pot of money to pay Paralyzed-Guy, who is now living without income or any way to take care of himself, unless he pays for it.Do you think Paralyzed-Guy would consider that good policing?You devil, you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 ... and I hope that you learned your lesson.you have kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hmmmmmmmm.To play Devil's Advocate, and for argument's sake:Velvet pulls back onto the highway after the nice cop let him go. Velvet causes an accident later that day, by hitting a pedestrian paralyzing that person for life. Insurance company denies coverage due to unregistered vehicle. Paralyzed person has only Velvet to go after. Velvet does not have vast sums of money to pay the claim. Paralyzed person lives with whatever money can be extracted from Velvet.Lessee here. Velvet wouldn't have been on the road if the cop had his car towed away right then, pending updating his registration. He would next be on the road when his car was properly registered and insured, so if something like this happened there would be a pot of money to pay Paralyzed-Guy, who is now living without income or any way to take care of himself, unless he pays for it.Do you think Paralyzed-Guy would consider that good policing?That happened to me once. i felt really shitty about it but everything was settled in a foot race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Was she stopped in a no stopping zone? If so, then I can understand the fine. There are too many people that stop in the worst no stopping places and put on their hazards as if to say "I'll just be a minute". I wish everyone of them to get a ticket.You and your wife deserved a $60 fine for ever other car that you incovenienced and I hope that you learned your lesson.Hey oh ... I fully understand and I paid the ticket. My problem with it was the fact that we were on a street where the stopping made absolutely NO impact on the flow of traffic. Trust me, I sit on streets for ages while one car/truck is stopped and reduces the street to one lane. I wish they would target THOSE instead. Any other time of the month (not the end when quotas are due) have they ever ticketed where we were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 There are too many people that stop in the worst no stopping places and put on their hazards as if to say "I'll just be a minute". I wish everyone of them to get a ticket.Hee hee. Just like the people who block the entrance to my building's parking lot while they "pop" in to the convenience store. I'd like to pop their tires I tell you what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Any other time of the month (not the end when quotas are due) have they ever ticketed where we were.I don't understand where this "end of the month quota" is coming from. I mean like do you know that without a doubt there is such a system? I'm of the belief that it is just a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balogna pogna Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I don't understand where this "end of the month quota" is coming from. I mean like do you know that without a doubt there is such a system? I'm of the belief that it is just a myth.Maybe one of the cops from the board or our larger jam-bands community can help answer this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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