Esau. Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure what you mean Ollie' date=' are you refering to the cloth bags?[/quote']Not purely cloth, they seem to be made of some sort of synthetic material. I raise the point not to be a shit disturber, just an observation I've been thinking about for a while and I really do wonder if we aren't just introducing a load more of crap into the environment and not really affecting any change.All good, I certianly wasn't thinking your trying to cause shit, I was only curious, nothing more. I've never used those so I can't really say much about them.phorbesie: not every store offers those, mine were purchased at food basics if I remember correctly a couple years ago and are all cloth.[edit to add]ahh a quick edit, so disregard the "every store" comment. Thats why I asked, I wasn't sure which he was refering to. But thanks. Edited April 16, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 and the truth comes out ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 All good, I certianly wasn't thinking your trying to cause shit, I was only curious, nothing more. I've never used those so I can't really say much about them. I didn't think you were, just covering my bases in case that's the impression others were getting. I think this board is giving me a complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I think this board is giving me a complex. good thing you couldn't pic an all sens team again this year or your head would have exploded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 what's Ollie complaining about? he doesn't even drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 what's Ollie complaining about? he doesn't even drive!You see, I actually am part of the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms.Huxtable Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Did Ya'll know that IKEA sells houses? Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlphaNerd Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) As Matt Power notes in this month's issue of Wired, hybrids get great gas mileage but it takes 113 million BTUs of energy to make a Toyota Prius. Because there are about 113,000 BTUs of energy in a gallon of gasoline, the Prius has consumed the equivalent of 1,000 gallons of gasoline before it reaches the showroom. Think of it as a carbon debt -- one you won't pay off until the Prius has turned over 46,000 miles or so.Nice little article from wired... about how it is technically more green to purchase a used vehicle with good mileage than a hybrid.http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/the-ultimate-pr.htmlHow many of these "Green Thinking" Prius driving will ditch the vehicle before 50,000 km...? Edited April 16, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booches sista Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I feel very strongly that the Expectant Mothers parking spots are a load of crap and just had this discussion with a good friend who recently had a baby. She said that if there were no spots close to the door for her, she would just go home. Granted, she was so swollen, it looked like she had collagen injected into her lips, toes and fingers. However, I find it hard to believe she could waddle around the grocery store for 30 minutes, but the extra 2 minutes to the far side of the parking lot did her in! And why wasn't her knocker upper out there getting the groceries? Needless to say, we're not very good friends anymore.(Just kidding, I love you Erica!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Nice little article from wired... about how it is technically more green to purchase a used vehicle with good mileage than a hybrid.That's some killer lateral thinking!And it sort of goes hand in hand with my question about the re-usable bags. How much energy is being put into producing them in the first place?We need to look at the whole cycle of production. Not just, "Hey this is green, cool!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 And it sort of goes hand in hand with my question about the re-usable bags. How much energy is being put into producing them in the first place?We need to look at the whole cycle of production. Not just, "Hey this is green, cool!"I saw a report on TV a little while ago that said that plastic bags were actually better (in the sense of being less bad) for the environment than paper bags. Plastic bags start out life as natural gas, which is fairly abundant and can be extracted and transported (via pipeline) cheaply and cleanly. Paper bags, on the other hand, start out as trees, which need to be cut down, transported by truck, and put through nasty chemical processes to be refined into paper. I'd want to see the details and the numbers for each process, but it's an interesting perspective.Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Man, my world is getting turned upside down. First plastic bags are bad, now they're good, and paper bags were good, now they are bad. You know what else? Fista told me last night that Milk is essentially cigarettes in liquid form. Everything good is bad and everything bad is good. Thanks alot guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Non-Hybrid Yukon:Fuel Type: RegularMPG (city): 14MPG (highway): 20MPG (combined): 16Greenhouse Gas (tonnes): 11.4Hey, mine doesn't get that good of mileage!Of course, i've yet to meet a hybrid that could tow. (often) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Nice little article from wired... about how it is technically more green to purchase a used vehicle with good mileage than a hybrid.That's some killer lateral thinking!And it sort of goes hand in hand with my question about the re-usable bags. How much energy is being put into producing them in the first place?We need to look at the whole cycle of production. Are you going to head up that study? When? How much energy and money will it take to do that? Why not just bring some reusable bags to the store when you're loading up on booze and quit complainin' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlphaNerd Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I think the real trick is to be looking at overall trends and larger carbon footprints. Not just a hybrid car or a recyclable bag. If only the dead were recyclable without becoming brain eating zombies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Are you going to head up that study? When? How much energy and money will it take to do that? Why not just bring some reusable bags to the store when you're loading up on booze and quit complainin' ? What study? I just meant that we as consumers should think about the where a product comes from, how it's made, etc. instead of just buying anything with a green sticker slapped on it and hoping for the best.Sorry for thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Ollie, your position or "thinking" was brought to us when you complained that it sucks there are no longer plastic bags for you to carry a pair of 6 packs home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 just buy a twelve-pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimafleck: the living legend. Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 so wait, let me get this straight... some rich guy driving a Escalade Hybrid gets reserved parking over some hippy dippy environmentalist that purposefully bought a used, fuel effiecient compact? is this what ikea is saying??!?!!??!?! GREEN is soooo cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I can't believe the study hasn't started yet. I asked for this quite a few hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I can't believe the study hasn't started yet. I asked for this quite a few hours ago.I'm still drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 these pretzels are making me thirsty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Well, you need a car to get to most if not all Ikeas, so that ain't very green, whether you drive a hybrid or not. Not everyone goes to Ikea to buy big crappily made items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 The real question is what are they going to do with all those plastic balls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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