Spudly Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Howdy all, Spud here from BC, I felt compelled to join in on this hideous topic before this absurdity continued any more. I was an active member of this board back in the old days......I now am an infrequent lurker, like a lot of folks I guess....I stop by about once a week for the music and stay for the inevitable train wrecks that seem to be all too evident on all message boards in general. Firstly, I should mention that I am biased on this subject....I have known Deke for 25+ years, he is my brother, and yes he can be a prick when pushed to it(you have to be in this business - see Hunter S. Thompson quote re: pimps & thieves...). But obviously none of you know him like we do out here.....futile for me to even attest to his level of compassion, kindness, generosity....I will say this, the guy is hard, but fuckin solid, ask anyone who knows him. But that's not the issue here. He may have been a little harsh in his delivery, lord knows I have been guilty of "blowing up" on message boards in the past, but SOMEONE needed to DEFLATE KUNG'S EGO. His personal vendetta against String Cheese and now Derek is far too painfully transparent....Kung has spent the last few years trying to convince you all that SCI & Mgmnt are the jerks for what they did to HIM. All Deke did was set the record straight, albeit, he didn't dress it up all pretty like. tough shit, live by the sword, die by the sword....that's what I say, eh, Kung? The only thing at question here should be Kung's complete inability to take responsibility for his own actions and his now seemingly maniacal behaviour. To Kung, it's always everyone else's fault. He's just an innocent bystander in all this, a victim. And Derek and all things Cheese are vicious, maurading villains, with nothing better to do than crush him for his innocent panderings. GET OVER IT, KUNG, you may find this hard to believe, but you're not that important! You misrepresented yourself back then to feed your massive ego, not to save a couple of bucks as you have attested. (look at me! look at me! I've got passes!)And when your house of cards came down, your complete lack of humility just wouldn't permit you to let it go. Your soapbox is your bruised and tattered ego in disguise. IMO Deke was too kind to you. I wanted him to expose your bullshit PUBLICLY back then, it needed to be done, but he didn't think it appropriate to air this kind of business on a message board. I guess there is a level of professionalism in the music industry that evidently you nor I know anything about. BTW, just wanted to let you know, that it was I who "ratted you out" to Deke....though Deke does surf the boards on occassion, on that particular day, it was I who advised him that an alleged industry person was beaking off on a public message board how he had bullshitted himself up some passes. Your disgusting bragging display, the way you were rubbing everyone's noses in it, sickened me to my very being. So go ahead, launch a vendetta against me as well. And HOW DARE YOU presume to know anything of Upstream's finance's? You are one sick, evil puppy for even insinuating publicly that Upstream is funded through the laurels of crime. You don't have a clue, Kung, and frankly you scare the hell out of me, as I have watched you publicly accuse others of being "involved" in drugs, in one form or another, when you have felt like you are losing control of a situation. You should be forever exiled from whatever community you feel that you exclusively belong to for publicly making such baseless accusations...What's next? You going to accuse Deke of being a pedophile and start a smear campaign? Shame on you! SHAME SHAME SHAME... You have no clue of the hardships or tremendous personal debt that Derek has incurred getting his company off the ground, there is no one more dedicated to the cause of live music. Aside from the huge days Deke puts in (the guys never stops working), there are teams of people who volunteer their time and skills to keeping live music from dying in our town. They don't get paid for it, and some even insist on paying for their shows, regardless of the time they put in, which is ultimately the most genuine way to SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC, not by being some mouthy prick on a message board who misrepresents himself to get on a guest list for a $10 show so that he can brag. There is no grow-ops, there is no e dealing, there is no Mommy-Daddy money...there is just good, honest, hardworking, music loving people. Fuck you for insinuating otherwise. As an outsider, I have watched with disgust over the history of these message boards how you speak down to and degrade everyone with your holier than thou attitude. I have no idea why anyone is standing up for you now. I can't for the life of me figure out why? You have turned this into the most hideously painfull soap opera styled death I have ever witnessed. You are dead wrong here, Kung, and way out of line. Get over it, and get on with it, it really is in your best interest. Spudly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 What is this? Red f@cking Rover? Sorry, but we aren't gonna be calling Deke over... We'll keep Kung, thanks for the "info" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I will agree with you that my ego needed to be deflated. I agree with the tenor and content of the bulk of what you're saying. That's because you are speaking in a humane fashion actually trying to express yourself. He just went for the throat and found it. I pushed the envelope and deserved to have those passes pulled, I all but begged to have it happen. The Cheese are a fucking cult for displaced upper middle class acid devouring gypsies I wouldn't be myself if I actually went ahead with seeing them or 'reporting' or whatever. I didn't misrepresent myself, I do occasionally write freelance though not as often as I should. I did run a national website at the time albeit a shoddy one (but damn funny). I did provide Carrie with my take on media outlets in Vancouver and Canada in general and she did thank me for the indepth effort. Perhaps in hindsight it was more pleasantries than anything but I'm not lying for Christ's sake. I also was under the impression I had fenagled, scammed, bullshitted backstage passes so that is also not a lie. As far as I can gather you and your brother are reacting to the fact that I lied (he uses alot of ALL CAPS to EXPRESS himself) and that I have a holier-than-thou attitude. So yes I do have that attitude and it isn't humble or becoming- are we even. What I cannot condone is how much of a HARSH CORPORATE BUREAUCRATIC ASS PRICK OF A BULLY your brother is. The extent to which I make your skin crawl is mutual. I am literally crawling the walls with insane hatred for the WAY in which your brother went about this. Obviously he doesn't possess the intellect to go toe to toe with me in words. Or variously my megalomania is so well developed that the only way to break the wall is with a hammer. Take your pick. Your brother has obviously been fucked over enough times in business situations because he handles himself like a fucking shark. Were we not such a transparent culture that prides themself on inclusivity this wouldn't be such an issue. I would be a fraud if I didn't mouth off about a band I detest so strongly, it would be inauthentic of me to have bridled my tongue to hold on to a freebie. Likewise your brother comes off as a fraud for wearing the hippy badge and cloaking the corporate dagger. His behaviour here is just plain ugly and fails to distinguish between anonymity and personal, persona and personality. The main problem is that none of us have met and so we can't make these distinctions. If people here come to my defense it's because they know where the persona ends and the person begins. But by all means you're a great character reference for a jism that should have been swallowed and with whom you share semen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I can see discussing why you don't like a band on a board, nothing wrong with that in my eyes... string cheese isn't going to lose any fans because half a dozen people on this board don't like them (at least as many, if not many more, like them)... its in a bands best interest to be bigger than it and ignore it or take that in as constructive critisism for consideration writing something onto a discussion board isn't the same as writing something, sending it to your editor and then having it published... when I see something I don't like or don't agree with maybe I pipe in but mostly I don't... each to their own I figure personal attacks with unpublic knowledge don't seem cool to me... suddenly everyone has to start triple checking their posts to see who they're offending I defended the Wassabi Collective in the past by talking about what I knew of the band and their motivations... I definately didn't throw out all the dirt I had on the person who was insulting Wassabi as a means of defending the band the whole matter got out of control and people should stop taking personal shots at each other... it all just started as a discussion on what the merits of jambands were compared with more traditionaly rock bands and the string cheese style of writing and performance ended up being used as an example of why rock kids don't like jambands... I don't see what anyone said or did previous to the discussion has to do with that at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shainhouse Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 who's up for beating a dead horse? give this fucking show a rest. This is what PM's are for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by paisley: personal attacks with unpublic knowledge don't seem cool to me... Hmmmm.... "unpublic knowledge"... is that sort of like... personal knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 quote: Originally posted by hamilton: Hmmmm.... "unpublic knowledge"... is that sort of like... personal knowledge? teachers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Spudly: Firstly, I should mention that I am biased on this subject....I have known Deke for 25+ years, he is my brother, and yes he can be a prick when pushed to it(you have to be in this business - see Hunter S. Thompson quote re: pimps & thieves...). But obviously none of you know him like we do out here.....futile for me to even attest to his level of compassion, kindness, generosity....I will say this, the guy is hard, but fuckin solid, ask anyone who knows him. But that's not the issue here. And that is enough for me to rule this bullshit in my opinion.As for the rest, I have heard my share of tales (not from Kung) about "business" out that way from enough friends I have within the community there,which I will keep to myself in fears of a retalation of legal issues.Since that seems to be the choice of action there. It makes me wonder why if you feel so strongly against how Kung has carried on here that you or your brother would just do the same thing.Truly loses me to all end. We may not know your brother like folks out west, like you say,but on the other hand, ya'll don't know Kung as we do either,or the friends he has here who will back him 100%. I being one of them. Just my thoughts here on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-towns Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Nice to see the east/west battle being refueled by the hippies..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tungsten Gruvsten Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 quote:Originally posted by c-towns: Nice to see the east/west battle being refueled by the hippies..... zing! good one from the badlands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Kung is worth defending as this attack could happen to any of us... aside from the fact that while somewhat controversial in his discussions online he's a great person to associate with in person.. we all have an on-line personality and all have people out there who don't like us for the way we present ourselves... if I slam ticketmaster on the board I certainly don't expect the president to show up here calling me names and threatening lawsuits if anything has slandered the name of Upstream its these personal attacks against Kung, I wouldn't have even known Upstream was involved in the argument if this thread hadn't have been posted so what if someone says something unfavorable concerning your efforts in the midst of a discussion... you gain your reputation as a production company by the calibre of the shows you present... by having fans who respect seeing your name beside a show... if some guy out east doesn't like it and says so, who cares? drop it already, from what I've seen Upstream puts on good shows out west, I've had your website bookmarked for when I get out that way... I don't like SCI, even though I haven't seen a show either, I'd appreciate it if I don't get hated or mocked me for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-towns Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Bow down to the mid-west ya'll representin Bizaches...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blip Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 sorry, can't help myself quote:Originally posted by paisley: Kung is worth defending as this attack could happen to any of us... aside from the fact that while somewhat contoversial in his discussions online he's a great person to associate with in person.this is exactly what I don't understand this guy kung repeatedly goes out of his way to attack this band and their efforts with his online persona, but because he's a 'great guy' live it makes it okay??? so I guess if he was an asshole in person you wouldn't defend him. he lies in an attempt to get free tickets and brags about it, in a business where bands live and die at the gate -- I find that insulting! is this truly a fan site dedicated to the celebration of live music? someone who renders an opinion on a group he has never seen, and has the gall to base comments on his impression of their fans and their dancing style, even though he's never been...? I find I want to defend the cheese and I can hardly stand them, but that's not the point. my opinion... the guy deserved to have a strip taken off him in a big way and he should be forced to go to a run of their shows what he might find is what I have wondered at the few cheese shows I've been to... are these people blind and deaf or is it ME that is missing something? one more thing -- his James Brown impersonation is a pretty humorous (and successful) cry for attention seems to be a recurring theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 No they're blind and deaf and REALLY high. Do you mean dancing? Yeah I like dancing. I know I brought this on myself but can anyone imagine being talked about this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 All hail King Kung (MK, I know you're watching ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I agree with Kung's word on SCI..I have seen them and dealt with the fans.All of which I do not have any appreciation for.The music is boring.Alot of the fans are ignorant and can't handle any type of critism about them,good or bad.Very annoying. Funny the dipshits who come out of the woodwork on this eh? I don't understand why people keep bringing up things and saying "but that's not the point"!? Whats the point of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blip Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 quote:Originally posted by kung: Yeah I like dancing. I know I brought this on myself but can anyone imagine being talked about this way? no no. the slow walk off the stage... I'm really leaving now, put the cape on me... okay, one more tune! I break out inna cold sweat! and no, nobody should be talked about this way, but you shoot some pretty sharp barbs and most people who disagree with you have trouble matching your penmanship I, too would probably like the physical kung more than the virtual one, because he probably wouldn't use the same sharp barbs in person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show---whore Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I thought you were done kung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All hail King Kung (MK, I know you're watching -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats exactly what I was thinking. I just caught up with this steel cage match with a big bag of popcorn, some Ween, some weed and a big grin.... this is the best piece of performance art I've seen by the King since he got Sean Palmerston's wife to post a rebutal to something from another message board. ((((((((Kung)))))))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 maybe we can all fight about cheesehead again? everyone seemed to like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Spud! Let me begin by saying that it is very admirable for you to come on this board and defend your brother, in the same breath, let me say that talking to anyone in that fashion on a public message board for music fans amusement only is bullshit!!!--- You know what, I don't know Kung from you!!! but, I respect the fact that he might not like the same bands that I do, for whatever reason he so chooses!!! I feel sort of responsible for some of this for the reason I was joking around with a fellow music lover, that doesn't like Cheese, I didn't take anything he said personally, and I don't believe he had any intention of making me feel it was personal, I am not String Cheese, they do not represent who I am, I am a fan of theirs, and I am a fan of criticism, taking the piss with friendly strangers, and FREE FUCKIN SPEECH!!! So, don't take someone else's opinion of a music band personally!!! and please, I think I can speak for at least some others, don't come onto to this board to insult a friend... that is stupid!! and it doesn't represent this scene!!! thank you!!! --Kung, look forward to meeting you somewhere someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deke Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Spudly Arrowsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 So again another chapter in the megalomaniacal life of Kung comes to bed. I am genuinely going to have to take a little vacation from all of this, but in my absence please forward personal messages of sketchy business dealings and hippy gossip as I will be waging new and more eventful campaigns in the future. I guess before we drop this I wanted to say boourns to the cats that keep complaining about these threads, it's your choice to open this stuff, it's like sitting down to watch a porno and moaning 'ewww this is disgusting' covering your eyes and peaking through your fingers. On the whole Cheese thing I think that the brothers Deke are under a false assumption that my tirades about the band are transparent attempts to get back about this pass business. Did you ever read any of the shit I wrote about this band before this all went down? I think I've toned it back a bit actually, just generally less sodomy and fecal references and as Booche reminded me photos. The whole idea of getting passes to a Cheese show, while it did appeal to my ego no doubt, was like sending a Republican to the Democratic national convention, it was meant to be a coup of sorts, behind enemy lines so to speak. Being the one upon whom this racket was perpetrated I could see where they miss the humour or irony of this. It's hard to keep things spicy around here without inserting yourself into the fray as a character and dealing with the consequences, you've all had a good chuckle or grimace and that's great I just can't handle the fallout as well as I used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Honest to God if this or the other thread were in hard copy format I'd wipe my ass with it. I can understand you getting upset about this Luke, the guy tore a piece outta you and the reason it hit home was because parts of it were true (which you've admitted). Whether you choose to stay or go on this board is entirely up to you but I for one enjoy your input, and regardless of whether your liked or disliked in reality you make contributions that are valuable in this venue so you should be judged solely on that. And mister somethingsomething who says "if you were an asshole in real life you wouldn't defend him" is wrong, because I like to look at things on the basis of what you've said here. Some folks think I'm an asshole (or worse...they think I'm you!) based on what's said here but that would never prevent me from speaking my mind, and meeting people from here in real life although yeah I'm somewhat slow to do so. I don't know who Deke or his brother are but it's all bvaseless, and all of this is bullshit and can we please get back to bashing Nero! Pablo? Gentlemonkey? Wouldn't you agree it's that time again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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