meggo Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 why is it that when most (some?) of the world is trying to move forward, gwb seems to be doing a back-pedal? "Bush calls for constitutional ban on gay marriage" http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040224.wbush0224_2/BNStory/International/ unnnnn-believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 "why is it that when most (some?) of the world is trying to move forward, gwb seems to be doing a back-pedal????" Because of that good ol' time religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokonon Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 leading cause of war........religion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeker Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 New leading cause of war...money/power, religion is now nothing more than a good excuse and one hell of a smoke screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Well, I agree with the freaker but I'm not sure money and power weigh heavily on the same-sex marriage issue. It's a morality thing, albeit one that is tied into winning the scary right-wing Christian vote, so, actually, I guess it is about money and power! It's just that I honestly believe Bush thinks he's right on this as an issue in and of itself, and the electoral pay-off is just gravy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Not Bob Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Actually money and power do factor into this ... it's the big insurance company lobby that doesn't want to have to give the same benefits to same sex couples as they do to hetero marriages. It's the same lobby that will guarantee that there will never be socialize medicare in the US. RnB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 insurance and spousal tax breaks doing things in the name of god is simply convenient for politicians when they don't have a good argument of their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple foot Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 He had to take one side or the other on this issue. since most americans are red neck hicks... there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 "He had to take one side or the other on this issue. since most americans are red neck hicks... there you go." Wow...that was really well put and I'm so glad you shared your vast knowledge and constructive input with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 at least there was more thought than the "show us your tits" contribution on another thread.... lovely plumage btw, ahess...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple foot Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 I'm not on here to share insightful information. i'm here for music. anything else I'm going to feel free to spew whatever comes off the top of my head so you can eat a dick. so you think dubbya should be for gay marriages?? I'm pretty sure its an election year. Going against an issue most americans don't want probably isn't a good idea. I don't agree with his decision but I think he took the right stance if he wants to see four more years. Most amercians are pretty conservitive when it comes to this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 "I'm not on here to share insightful information." I gathered this. Good luck with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questcequecest? Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 quote: I think he took the right stance if he wants to see four more years. ... if only we could say that about more pertinent issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple foot Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 quote: if only we could say that about more pertinent issues. Its bullshit like this that gets attention in the media to distract voters from real issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\/\/illy Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by bokonon: leading cause of war........religion! Actually I like saying this: "The root of all evil, is religion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak By Night Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by purple foot: He had to take one side or the other on this issue. since most americans are red neck hicks... there you go. You, sir, are an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggo Posted February 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by purple foot: He had to take one side or the other on this issue. since most americans are red neck hicks... there you go. whoa buddy. easy on the stereotypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggo Posted February 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 i didn't see that everyone had already covered this base for me. i don't take it back but i wouldn't have posted it if i had seen the others. i just saw that and had to make a comment without reading down. peas. and.... eat a dick?? really nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gentlemonkey Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 It's nice to live in a forward thinking nation, EH!? No reason to stereotype Americans. We know better, and on the flipside, I dont like being type cast as a pelt-hunting, hockey playing dogsledder. Actually, i do kind of like it, but nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeker Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 APATHY BREEDS TYRANNY!! Brought to you by the Conservatives for Nader in 04. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 actually, being a intense liberal I am happy to see ol' w take that stance.. I don't believe it will have any sort of effect on the general populus in regards to how they will vote... It will alienate himself from those that are strongly in favour, and that my friends, means more democratic votes! and that makes me happy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple foot Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 nothing wrong with stereotypes? americans don't seem to have a problem stereotyping arabs as terrorists. Or gays. If we agree that this is a religious thing then aren't we stereotyping all fundamentalist christians who believe that gay marriage taints the sanctity of marriage? i'm trying to wrap my head around this myself. This shit still has to go through congress but 38 states have already banned gay marriage so that requirement is met. So a MAJORITY of americans are against it. Why is that?? well I think its because a MAJORITY are inhabited by ignorant people. or as i refer to them. RED NECKS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennyd Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Red neck hicks, you have not spent much time in the states have you. And if you have I am sorry you were with the wrong crowd. Next time you can make it south send me a shout out and my crew and I will try and relieve you of your misguided views. Many people all over the country (US) are changing the way people look at marriage and working vary hard to change it. W. has no choice but to speak on it, and come on who really thought he would be cool with it. My problem is his call for an amendment to the constitution. Its a total farce and will never happen. The whole thing is to divert attention from real problems (the corrupt rebuilding of Iraq, a sluggish economy, and of course broad misuse of intelligence leading up to the invasion.) Just to say it flat out most Americans are not redneck hicks. It is just not true --Don’t blame me I voted in the majority-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Originally posted by purple foot: nothing wrong with stereotypes? americans don't seem to have a problem stereotyping arabs as terrorists. Or gays. If we agree that this is a religious thing then aren't we stereotyping all fundamentalist christians who believe that gay marriage taints the sanctity of marriage? i'm trying to wrap my head around this myself. This shit still has to go through congress but 38 states have already banned gay marriage so that requirement is met. So a MAJORITY of americans are against it. Why is that?? well I think its because a MAJORITY are inhabited by ignorant people. or as i refer to them. RED NECKS. 1. What's wrong with stereotypes? Lots, but let's forget that for a moment. Just because Americans have "no problem stereotyping Arabs as terrorists" (which is a sweeping generalization in itself, to say the least) doesn't mean that you're forgiven for indulging in such behaviour yourself. 2. Despite what I just said, I think that the vast majority of fundamentalist Christians do believe that gay marriage taints heterosexual marriage. I mean, if you're a fundamenalist Christian, one of the fundamentals would be that sex is for procreation and nothing else. I actually agree with MarcO though, when he said that Bush genuinely thinks that he's right about this one. I don't think that he's personally being cynical about the whole thing, or that he's trying to buy votes - face it, the man's a born-again Christian, and they are as fundamental as you get. 3. "americans don't seem to have a problem stereotyping arabs as terrorists. Or gays." Ummmm... do you mean that Americans have no problem stereotyping Arabs as gays, or gays as terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 In Texas (for example): Marriage is both a legal and a ceremonial event. Legal marriage grants between 120-300 state rights and responsibilities, depending upon the state of residence. On the federal level, more than 1,049 rights and responsibilities are granted. Because same-sex couples are unjustly denied the right to marry, same-sex couples and their families are denied access to rights including: -The right to make decisions on a partner's behalf in a medical emergency. Specifically, the states generally provide that spouses automatically assume this right in an emergency. If an individual is unmarried, the legal "next of kin" automatically assumes this right. This means, for example, that a gay man with a life partner of many years may be forced to accept the financial and medical decisions of a sibling or parent with whom he may have a distant or even hostile relationship. -The right to take up to 12 weeks of leave from work to care for a seriously ill partner or parent of a partner. The Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 permits individuals to take such leave to care for ill spouses, children and parents but not a partner or a partner's parents. -The right to petition for same-sex partners to immigrate. -The right to assume parenting rights and responsibilities when children are brought into a family through birth, adoption, surrogacy or other means. For example, in most states, there is no law providing a noncustodial, nonbiological or nonadoptive parent's right to visit a child - or responsibility to provide financial support for that child - in the event of a breakup. -The right to share equitably all jointly held property and debt in the event of a breakup, since there are no laws that cover the dissolution of domestic partnerships. -Family-related Social security benefits, income and estate tax benefits, disability benefits, family-related military and veterans benefits and other important benefits. -The right to inherit property from a partner in the absence of a will. -The right to purchase continued health coverage for a domestic partner after the loss of a job. Such inequities impose added costs on these families, such as increased health insurance premiums, higher tax burdens and the absence of pension benefits or Social Security benefits in the event of a partner's death. Some same-sex and transgender families consult attorneys to draw up legal documents such as powers of attorney, co-parenting agreements and wills, that will at least permit them to declare who they wish to make health care and financial decisions for them if they become incapacitated; how they wish to share parenting responsibilities or, in the event of a breakup, custody of a child; and what they want to happen to their property when they die. However, these are not a substitute for legal protection under law and cannot provide the broad range of benefits and protections provided by law. http://www.lgrl.org/marriageequality/rights/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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