Deeps Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Well the negativity in this thread Press Release : Chamelon Project and High Plains Drifter Tour is way thick and essentially it started with some kids taking their first tour which is a huge step and I would think the music supporters of the board would be excited that one their own is making a move to being not just another band on a local bill.I assume it has to do with the iriitation that is felt by some because Jaydawg and JC are hard working in trying to get people out to see a band that most on this board have yet to hear.I am wondering what the etiquette is regarding the promotion of your own projects in this forum.I am in a similar situation as JC in that I have a band and believe in my tunes. It has taken me a year to get a following going in my humble little town of Guelph of which I've lived for 6 years and in short time I will be trying to get the band in front of some new crowds. Jesus that's gonna be tough.I obviously don't want to fall out of favour or annoy anyone around any town, but the fact is it's really hard to get people out to see a band that they've only recently heard of, and between writing, recording, practicing, booking and just managing the people and their relationships in our 4 piece I'm spread waayy thin and need support from a lot of angles.My questions for the veterans of the board are...How much promo is too much?Is it a "particpation in debate" to "advertising posts" ratio kinda thing?Should it not be done at all and am I pissing people off with the signature on this post?Should advertising just be kept to banner placement?Just wondering.....sometimes I think I'd like to donate some money to the maintainer folk of the board to let them know that I appreciate their efforts and all they have inadvertantly done for my music and the people around it, but dunno if that's the flow or what.Much respect. Looking forward to your insight.Deeps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8FuL Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 (edited) I dont consider myself a veteran on the board by any means..but i had to say something to your post.I myself promote and help manage some bands here on the east coast, and from my experience You can never have too much PROMO....hype your shows to the max and then deliver the goods!!This is a board to advertise shows,music,random shit etc...I can't see whay you would have to involve urself in debates so in turn you can post shows.Advertising of shows is meant for the board...if ya wanna get ur name out ya gotta promote...what better place to do it then here...Anyone who would get pissed about u postign shows because you dont engage in debates and what not...is an idiot..and i havent had any personal experience with any idiots on this board!So dont sweat it...Post shows , Promote like crazy...make sure ya deliver in the end with an awsome performance...thats just my 2 pennies tho!Cheerz Edited July 13, 2005 by Guest Fahk i cant type..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeker Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Rule 1. If you post more than once a day = Too muchRule 2. Don't respond to your own threads when no one else is, bumps are acceptable but not more than once a day...make that week.Rule 3. Don't pretend to be objective when its your band you're promoting. If its your band, tell us don't act like its the best thing since Vin Diesel when its just sliced bread.Rule 4. Don't take the email addresses of all the Skanks off the board and make a database for a newsletter for your band...people really hate that.Rule 5. If you suck don't flood the board with promo. Take your time, get your sound together and then you won't have to do promo, other people, your fans, will do it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomFoolery Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 No worries about # 5 with Deeps' band.They rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberHippie Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 For what it's worth, IMO over promo on this board can kill interest. Obviously it's good to post upcoming shows here. It's a great venue for promotion and word of mouth, I'd argue that it's one of the best. But every once in a while it gets over the top and almost becomes spam. Remember Cavern? I've not gone to shows in the past because of the over-hype. There is definitely a fine line in there somewhere between productive and counter-productive.My $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister slippery Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Rule 4. Don't take the email addresses of all the Skanks off the board and make a database for a newsletter for your band...people really hate that.well put.i wonder if there's a band in toronto that has recently done this. ive been wondering about a couple of emails from a band i have never seen, and whose "list" i have never signed up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Well the negativity in this thread Press Release : Chamelon Project and High Plains Drifter Tour is way thick...I read it as good-natured ribbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister slippery Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 For what it's worth, IMO over promo on this board can kill interest. Obviously it's good to post upcoming shows here. It's a great venue for promotion and word of mouth, I'd argue that it's one of the best. But every once in a while it gets over the top and almost becomes spam. Remember Cavern? I've not gone to shows in the past because of the over-hype. There is definitely a fine line in there somewhere between productive and counter-productive.My $0.02cavern minus ridiculous overhype plus useful retooling equals vanderpark.that worked out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberHippie Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 huh, who knew... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I wouldn't call one post in the PRESS RELEASE thread as 'way thick negativity'. Still, a good question and Freeker is actually making points based on actual experiences on here. I don't think bands over promote themselves here, but I guess Cavern did too much for anyone's liking.The best way to promote (I'm talking to the promoter's too) is to just purchase a banner slot and help this site to get better so that money can go into more bandwidth or even into helping bring bands to Ottawa. It will all go back into the scene.If you do 4 shows in a month, one banner is pretty much the cost of one extra head at each show. I'm sure the banner will bring at least 1 head, if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 yeah, there's a real balance at play..... too much hype for your own project will ring hollow but on the other hand this is the place to get the word out.I'd venture to add that the bands that get a real reserve of respect around here are those where the members themselves pitch in to help make this a more interesting place all around, not just popping in to plug their latest gig and that's it.Promoters definitely get a harder time around here than the musicians. Which sometimes makes sense because they're more likely to tell you that such and such a band is a "funk-groove-electro project (ed: please kill me now) that is the best show you'll see all year!!!!" when in fact you just know it'll be another forgettably stoned evening with some wankers on a musical hobby trip. The musicians tend to be a bit more realistic and humble about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Rule 1. If you post more than once a day = Too muchRule 2. Don't respond to your own threads when no one else is, bumps are acceptable but not more than once a day...make that week.Rule 3. Don't pretend to be objective when its your band you're promoting. If its your band, tell us don't act like its the best thing since Vin Diesel when its just sliced bread.Rule 4. Don't take the email addresses of all the Skanks off the board and make a database for a newsletter for your band...people really hate that.Rule 5. If you suck don't flood the board with promo. Take your time, get your sound together and then you won't have to do promo, other people, your fans, will do it for you.What he said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted July 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Ahhh sweet clarity.Thanks.DeepsPS Sorry if I misread the good-natured-ribbing as negativity. This information super highway stuff makes hard at times.PPPS [color:purple]My band (the Inorganic trip hjop funksters that have known eachother for a week) is going to put on the best show that ever plugged in and there will be free beer and a ferris wheel....need venue. Please advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Blue Grassy High rulez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 (edited) Blue Grassy High rulez. Now THAT'S psychology! Edited July 13, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Rule 4. Don't take the email addresses of all the Skanks off the board and make a database for a newsletter for your band...people really hate that.well put.i wonder if there's a band in toronto that has recently done this. ive been wondering about a couple of emails from a band i have never seen' date=' and whose "list" i have never signed up for.[/quote']Can anyone say "Passenger"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Personally, I really like to hear about new bands on this board. It's the main reason I'm here.As others have suggested, though, I definitely give greater credence to a band whose members post intelligent, useful and accurate comments about other bands and music on here. I tend to remember who those people are, and when I see that I agree with what they've said about bands with whom I'm familiar, it makes me think that it is more likely that they are also in a band that at least tries to play music I'd like, and I'd be more likely to check them out if they came around. As most people have said, though, don't overpost about your own band. You'll have to use your own judgment to decide how often you'd have to post for it to be overposting, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Le Petit Chicago in Hull! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timouse Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 No worries about # 5 with Deeps' band.They rock!i've heard that many times, and deeps, i'm very sorry to have not had the chance to check you guys out yet as guelph is just up the road!please post on here the next time you play, like stone mtn said, this is a great place to come & hear about live music...as far as negativity goes, well, not to put too fine of a point on it, but this place ain't free. bouche and lots of other folks do a lot of work to keep this forum ticking, and no doubt lay out a fair amount of money to keep it all running. bands that want to agressively hype shows can buy banner ads, with the revenue ofsetting the cost of keeping the site happenning. harvard mouse has been part of both camps...we have shamelessly plugged our gigs on here, and have gone in on a banner ad for the same purpose. i think that regulars around here may be keeping better tabs on who's taking out paid ads and who isn't, and possibly directing ire to people who seem to overhype...of course, having said that, there's lots of people busting their asses to put on and promote live music who aren't exactly raking in the dough, and nobody wants to quash that kind of enthusiasm. ultimately it's a balance...i would love to be part of a jambands.ca benefit show, get a whole gang of musicians who appreciate this place for what it does for this community and throw whatever's in the kitty to bouche to keep this place going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister slippery Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Rule 4. Don't take the email addresses of all the Skanks off the board and make a database for a newsletter for your band...people really hate that.well put.i wonder if there's a band in toronto that has recently done this. ive been wondering about a couple of emails from a band i have never seen' date=' and whose "list" i have never signed up for.[/quote']Can anyone say "Passenger"?good call.not the one i was thinking of (newer, more afrobeaty, apparently), but bang on with passenger.[color:purple]arent passenger playing some crap bar in woodbridge tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOutGuy Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Good call there Slippery Dave... i actually replied back to one of there group mails... not sure if they'll get it but I was just inquiring what list I signed up on considering I had never seen them before...UM??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 (edited) I think you should promote anyway you feel is right, considering you are trying to promote the "ART" that you have decided to play. If someone has a problem with that, well, fuck them! you may need some thick skin, because people like to express their opinions on here, you may not like what they have to say, but, everyone is entitled to their opinion, or their sarcasm, (nothing wrong with a laugh) But, I would not be afraid to promote, this is a jamband board, where you should not feel intimidated to promote your music that fits this genre, (which is yet to be defined--I might add) I mean, I have posted many a useless thread about some ridiculous thought I might have, or many a thread has been posted where we can find out what our (for example) porn name might be. The last thing you should be worried about is posting about your show. In my opinion, this is a place where people can express whatever they wish, and I would think that any artist that is proud enough to promote their own work should be welcomed here. Edited July 14, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted July 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 i would love to be part of a jambands.ca benefit show, get a whole gang of musicians who appreciate this place for what it does for this community and throw whatever's in the kitty to bouche to keep this place going!Let's do this. Seriously.That would be an awesome way to help out.Deeps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister slippery Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Good call there Slippery Dave... i actually replied back to one of there group mails... not sure if they'll get it but I was just inquiring what list I signed up on considering I had never seen them before...UM???thats them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 i would love to be part of a jambands.ca benefit show' date=' get a whole gang of musicians who appreciate this place for what it does for this community and throw whatever's in the kitty to bouche to keep this place going![/quote']Let's do this. Seriously. That would be an awesome way to help out. Deeps How 'bout a tour? I hear Whistler's a nice place for a gig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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