edger Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 that is a beautiful picture of Janis kanada-kev!my vote would go to her. but palaceprincess raises a good point. you don't hear much of janis these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 you know, i've actually really developed an appreciation for courtney love over the last few months. i've always thought she was smart, funny & fascinating, but i was never a die hard hole fan, so beyond the kurt connection, i didn't know much about her. i got her book as a gift for christmas (a collection of diary entries, pictures & miscellanous bits of her life -- incl. her rejection letter from the mickey mouse club -- her audition consisted of reading a sylvia plath poem... she was 11. haha), and she has led one hell of a life. reform schools, juvenile hall, one of the most fucked up families you can possibly imagine, and she's lived all over the world. japan, new zealand, england, ireland, all over the u.s. it's a very intimate look into her life, which of course includes kurt (who i have always loved immensely). in addition to that, a few months ago, i found this website that she posts messages on from time-to-time (and yes, it is really her -- i don't think anyone on this planet could fake the things that come out of her head). the media has always portrayed her to be such a monster, so you can imagine how shocking it was to discover that courtney love has a very kind, sweet, endearing and downright adorable side to her. she is sober, she has a fantastic-sounding daughter that she loves more than anything, she is ambitious, she is hard working and she is a survivor. plus she is badass, not afraid to speak her mind, and nothing against janis' talent, but what has janis done lately? oh yeah, that's right, courtney is the one that's still alive (against all odds). janis is arguably a legend, but courtney is WAY more rock n' roll. Plus her music's really, really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 And she had (has) the good taste to hire Melissa Auf Der Mar as her bass player, who I think is a better musician and a far sexier woman.Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I don't lump Janice into the list of female rock singers. She was blues to her soul and her soul fueled her blues.Sure, Courtney is this generation's Janice in terms of influence. I'll take Chrissie Hynde as the best female rock singer ever... and Patti Smith for punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Maybe not the best ever, but the best I've ever seen live: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Zimmy Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 what about Annie Lennox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Wish Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 So by PP's standards, todays players are better guitarists than Jerry Garcia because Jerry hasn't done anything for us lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 i didn't earlier in this thread, but i these genres are pretty broad and vague, which is fine, but i see chrissie hynde as a pop singer. there was no real "rock" in the pretenders. i'd put debbie harry in with chrissie hynde if the category allows. i dunno. love her voice and songs, i'm not knocking her, just the category. kathleen hanna - rock singer. joan jett - rock singer (not so good). shirley manson, kim gordon, kim deal, grace slick, donita sparks (L7), those are "rock" singers. would heyday Tina Turner be rock? just my opinions, i hate the 'genrefication' but it's neccessary sometimes. i shouldn't pay so much attention to the title of threads perhaps. emily haines as best rock singer? cmon. big ups to bradm for recognising melissa aur der mar as amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Wish Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 check out Hole's version of Gold Dust Woman from The Crow soundtrack. Great version. I'll post it this evening if you haven't heard it.It is most likely from the Crow II soundtrack, because I have the first one and its not on there.And yeah that was a great cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 emily haines as best rock singer? cmon.If lyrics, performance and sex appeal have anything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 haha they made two of those garbage movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Wish Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Neko CaseChristina AguileraEmmyLou HarrisBillie HolidayIf you skip the classification, this discussion gets way messier.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Loni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 If lyrics, performance and sex appeal have anything to do with it.ah yes, along with "genrefication" there are the differences in criteria. not to mention opinion.she's a good looking girl (sometimes), but i find her lyrics kinda pedestrian, and her singing certainly not that great. great performer, definitely.i was using just singing in my picks. but you raise some good criteria that are for sure being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Neko CaseChristina AguileraI made a mess. I used sex appeal as criteria and now my keyboard is acting funny. (ps. awesome singers.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Zimmy Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 that's too bad, I really love Etta James, I guess because of her lack of sex appeal (for me), she wouldn't ever win best anything. Such a waste of talent. Nice of The Dead to play with someone like her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic ChrisC Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 kim gordon, kim deal, grace slick, donita sparks (L7), those are "rock" singers. would heyday Tina Turner be rock?big ups to bradm for recognising melissa aur der mar as amazing. Kim Gordon! Yeah, how come she wasn't mentioned until now? She's definitely up there and she seems cool too and level-headed.I like Courtney Love but she disappoints me when she gets any plastic surgery done. Looks shouldn't matter (unfortunately, they do matter for women in any field, and looks always become a criteria, whereas it's not as much for men). She actually looked better before the surgeries. It's sad that she thinks she has to compete that way. Anyway, Courtney has the kinda voice I like for females, deep, raunchy and not very pretty.I like Fiona Apple also, at least her last album. She has a softer voice though and she's more alternative piano rock/pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 well we'd best not forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 that's too bad, I really love Etta James, I guess because of her lack of sex appeal (for me), she wouldn't ever win best anything. Such a waste of talent. Nice call. Etta is fuckin' awesome! I saw her live on a double-bill with Maria Muldaur ... what a night I'm very fond of these two releases of hers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 that is a beautiful picture of Janis kanada-kev!my vote would go to her. but palaceprincess raises a good point. you don't hear much of janis these days...Yup, a great shot of an amazing talent.These sorts of threads always stir up controversy. "Rock" is a pretty generic category. Pure singing talent vs. showomanship and the balance between. What do we each prefer? Ever since the dawn of the commercial music video, looks will always be in the forefront. Tell me that Janis would even get a chance in this day and age. It's the friggin MUSIC that matters, IMHO. It seems that rock/pop/country are wayyy more concerned with the 'visual' than more roots/folk/blues. Maybe because there isn't as much of a video market?So, Janis isn't rock? Bjork isn't rock? Courtney rocks more than others rock? Chrissy is pop? Some don't count because they are dead??? There are some artists who have left a bigger mark on music and culture with a very SMALL body of published work than some who've been around for decades.In the end ... it's all just opinions ... none absolutely right, and none absolutely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 In the end ... it's all just opinions ... none absolutely right, and none absolutely wrong. Is the part where we all dance around the sun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted March 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 In the end ... it's all just opinions ... Courtney rocks more than others rock? that, sir, is a fact, not an opinion!!! triple exclamation mark!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 In the end ... it's all just opinions ... none absolutely right' date=' and none absolutely wrong.[/quote'] Is the part where we all dance around the sun? [color:purple]"Come on people, now, smile on your brother..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I love Etta James, Koko Taylor, Billie Holiday and the rest of the blues legends. Blues is the springboard to rock, but these greats don't belong in a rock category - nor do I think they would or do like the rock genre in the first place. Emily is fantastic. Time will tell where she'll rank. She certainly should make modern lists.I like Kim Gordon, but she's a co-singer and occassional front-woman. Same with Kim Deal. I disagree with AD about The Pretenders not being rock. They aren't Hole rock, but they were pretty rocking for the 70's and 80's, far more than Stevie and Christine-led Fleetwood Mac. They may sound pop-rock by today's standards, but back then they were lumped in either new wave or rock. Chrissie's a fine guitarist in her own right and her crunchy Telecaster allowed for her fantastic guitarists to shine like: James Honeyman-Scott, Bill Bremner and Robbie McIntosh. I'm not a real fan of The Pretenders, but to brush them off isn't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Courtney Love's godfather is Phil Lesh. Game. Set. Match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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