Hip Hop: The New Rome

[kung]

Look I don't want to sound any more conspiratorial than I already do but this is something I've been aware of for a while.

I am in the midst of devoting my new life to my life partner and to the nation of Hip Hop. I believe that Hip Hop is the New Rome and that if the nation of Hip Hop fails the entire civilized world will fail.

This is not some random conjecture. This comes from a detailed understanding of the history of Egypt, the Greek polis (city state), Plato's Republic and the greek Tragedians and social commentators, Roman civil life and developments throughout the Middle Ages, Renaissance (the resurgence of Neo-Platonism) and up into the modern age.

Rome collapsed after the assassination of Caesar. Rome needed a tyrant like Caesar to try to bring equanimity between the nobles and the people of Rome: the senate and the people. It is no surprise that our Canadian and American system both emulate the Roman Senate although the Congress is more significant. In the American Congress even John McCain will tell you Washington is run by Soft Money.

In Canada we are so incredibly corrupt, media conglomerates like BellGlobeMedia literally suppress information that does not suit their stockholders whims, that we have soft money flowing vigorously through our economy. Cocaine and Marijuana is the spine of our economy not the fat and it feeds into property, government kickbacks, police kickbacks, and all levels of the economy. The police catch %1-2 of the drugs and that is what organized crime tips them to.

There are far more powerful drug cartels with a much heavier presence than the representatives that for instance the Hell's Angels have at Queen's Park and Parliament though.

These drug dealers can poison and pollute our nations youth, create birth defects, cause suicides, corrupt food and distribution chains, pull as much fresh water out of the province as they can bottle and poison the existing water supply with chemical and agricultural runoffs. We can do nothing to stop these Drug Dealers and Corporate Polluter because our govenment is but a figurehead.

In any case the illicit drug economy is far more substantial than the agricultural, automotive or manufacturing bases. Which is to say nothing of how employees of all those economies, particularly Queen's Park and Bay Street, pay substantial parts of their own incomes into the Drug and Sex trade. I'm glad they do this because I know many resourceful exotic dancers and hustlers who own several condos as a result and put their young boys through Montessori schools. Don't feel bad for these women. A drug dealer can only turn so many custies on and custies can only earn so much, borrow so much, steal so much. A young hustler like a dancer can get a man to give her a car or a house. Now that's a hustle!

Edited April 8, 2007 by Guest

[kc]

http://www.templeofhiphop.org/

[kung]

Enter The Blue Flame.

Dynasty Niggas.

ROC LA FAMILIA. It's a secret society.

[kung]

"Get Your Mind Right Mami"

(feat. Memphis Bleek, Snoop Dogg)

[Jay-Z]

Sup ma? You want to roll with us, y'knowhatI'msayin?

It's good, it's love, it's all love

We got cases of Belvedere, we gon' play truth or dare

We gon' really get to know one another

All you gotta do is put your hair down, get your mind right

Knahmean? I'm here for you, yo

Relax yourself, let your conscience be free

You now rollin with them thugs from the R-O-C

Ain't no place on the planet that you'd rather be

but in the blue flame, bitch you're new to the game

Cross over to the Roc, make yourself hot

The topic of discussion in every nail shop

It's a secret society, all we ask is trust

and within a week, watch your arm freeze up

Brassiere get right, A to a D cup

Weave get tight, pedicure your feet up

Ears get iced, gear get spiced

From hoodrat to superstar, there's your life

Fuck with Hova, he can take you out of your hell

Say bye to Reebok, say hi to Chanel

Say hi to Gucci, Prada as well

Take a look in the mirror, be proud of yourself

[Chorus w/ singer]

[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

You gotta play your part when you're rollin with the R-O-C

[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

You gotta know what it takes to be down with a nigga like me

[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

I need a gangsta girl, who can ride in my passenger seat

[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

And I need gangsta girls, for my gangsta family

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, I'm young Memphis, used to play the apprentice

Now I'm like the teacher, c'mere, let me teach ya

how to play them benches, hold this work in your dentures

How to play it cool when police come to pinch us

Relax mami, let the Belvy flow

Inhale the 'dro, exhale it slow

I could teach you how to roll, teach you bout fly kicks

Teach you how to keep your nose up out of my shit

When the beeper goes off, please don't reach

like you put a ring or spend cheese on Bleek

Get your mind right baby, goin through mine crazy

When I'm in the shower, *69 me crazy

Track my last call, contact my broad

with a bitch ?? had physical contact in the mall

You got issues {*inhales*} problems you need to iron out

I will, holla, for now you on time out

[Chorus w/ singer and Snoop]

You gotta play your part when you're rollin with the R-O-C

C'mon little mama, c'mon

You gotta know what it takes to be down with a nigga like me

[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

C'mon little mama, c'mon

I need a gangsta girl, who can ride in my passenger seat

[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

C'mon baby girl, c'mon

And I need gangsta girls, for my gangsta family

[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

C'mon little mama, c'mon

[snoop Dogg]

P-I-M-P-ology

I played you and you paid me

Believe me when I tell you girl I know you a freak

for fuckin with me, that ain't all you can be

Just put your mind to it you can go real far

I know times gettin hard on the boulevard

They say, pimpin is dead; man, pimpin ain't dead

These hoes just scared and they blind tryin and dyin to be lead

But who's to lead 'em? Talk shit to 'em and beat 'em

Get they mind right and feed 'em

Now I don't need 'em (uh uh) but I can do that there

Put on a three-piece suit and Shirley Temple my hair

so I can, feel like a player when I walk in the place

Got yo' bitch all on my line and now she up in my face

Is this yo' bitch is that yo' bitch cause if she's not she mine

She fallin fo' a nigga and I ain't even dropped a line

[Chorus w/ Snoop]

Get out my limelight bitch and get your mind right

C'mon little mama, c'mon

Get your mind right bitch, get your mind right

C'mon baby girl, c'mon, c'mon

You gotta play your part when you're rollin with the R-O-C

[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

You gotta know what it takes to be down with a nigga like me

[J] Get your mind right ma, get your mind right

I need a gangsta girl, who can ride in my passenger seat

[J] Got ta get your mind right baby, get your mind right

And I need gangsta girls for my gangsta family

[Jay-Z]

Get your mind right mami, get your mind right

Get your mind right ma, get your mind right huh?

Got ta get your mind right baby, get your mind right

[SaggyBalls]

politcal forum, suckas.

[allison]

As an upper middle class white kid I am always sort of sure that Im going to say something completley assinine when wading into a discussion about so called Hip Hop culture but here goes....

If you are saying that Hip Hop is the Republic of disenfranchised,american kids from the ghetto (I have a vague recollection of hearing that before-that metaphor) than I guess I get it in a way.That is that it was a method of equalization and enoblement, a way to compete and gain autonomy in a system that created the marginalization in the first place. I don't at all see how that applicable across the board though, nor how civilization would fail because of it.

Hip Hops excesses could be just seen as the decadence and glorification of the underbelly of the culture it had to fight against.The business opportunities that the "establishment"-atleast publicly- turned its nose at,were the opportunities that presented themselves for the marginalized to get a leg up.The hustle is a finely developed business acumen with the raw goods available-and admirable for being such.But it also makes everything in life a commodity-from the 30$ blow to the multimillion dollar empires of Diddy and Jay-Z.Maybe its somehow seems more honest when its all on sale out front-but I personally find it distasteful.

The "hustle " isn't an shining integral creation of hip hop-its a survival mechanism, a symptom. The hustle is a way to get some of your own and on your own terms (sort of) against obstacles, in a system trying to keep you down.

If you become part of the system or rise above it, is the hustle still your culture?Or just a tool of the past.

Soft money?Please-its hardly new.Its also very bourgeois to assume that drugs and pharmies are the biggest hidden forces.

[kung]

Come come Allison. You're bright but you're not THAT bright.

Hip Hop is the new Imperium it is a new mode of Authority. It is a matter of how long an Empire can sustain itself and its Legions on ever diminishing stipends. This is how Empires are one and lost, whether or not the legionairres fight for honour or simply their stipend which will disappear. Soon your men will have to fight with their lives for only their honour. That nigga is unstoppable.

Even Machiavelli foretold the demise of the Managerial Revolution. Do not depend on an army of mercenaries because when their stipend runs out so does their loyalty.

We are also seeing a resurgence of ancient Taoist, Vedantic, Occult and Dark Learning practices all of which are present in Hip Hop's hustle and flow. Hip Hop is simply gongfu, disciplined skill, like rolling fine tea leaves.

[phishtaper]

Come come Allison. You're bright but you're not THAT bright.

odd, i thot Allison IS that bright. but really, no sense is writing anything earth-shattering here, because it will just be deleted anyway.

[SmoothedShredder]

Hip Hop Peaked long before the Blueprint. If it were an empire, the lead in the pipes would be killing the population now. The part of George W or Ceaser could be played by 50 Cent.

[kung]

And Allison I'm pretty sure it's bourgeouis NOT to point out how the Oligarchy, ie. your family, rules the country not the government. I thought taxation without representation went overboard with the tea in the Boston Harbour.

Imperium as a personal characteristic

In ancient Rome imperium could be used as a term indicating a characteristic of people, the measure of formal power they had. This qualification could be used in a rather loose context (for example poets used it, not necessarily writing about state officials), but in the Roman society it was also a more formal concept of legal authority. A man with imperium had in principle absolute authority to apply the law within the scope of his magistracy or promagistracy (see below), but could be vetoed or overruled by a magistrate or promagistrate having imperium maius (a higher degree of imperium) or, as most republican magistratures were multiple (not quite collegial: each could act on his own), by the equal power of his colleague, e.g. the other Consul. Some modern scholars (e.g. A.H.M. Jones) have defined it as "the power vested by the state in a person to do what he considers to be in the best interests of the state."

Imperium can be distinguished from regnum, or royal power, which was inherited. Imperium was originally a military concept, the power of the imperator (general in the army) to command. The word derives from the Latin verb imperare, to command. The title imperator was applied to the emperor, who, like the president of the United States, was the commander of the armed forces. In fact, the Latin word imperator gives us the English word emperor.

Imperium was indicated in two prominent ways. A "curule" magistrate or promagistrate carried an ivory baton surmounted by an eagle as his personal symbol of office (cf. field marshal's baton). Any such magistrate was also escorted by lictors bearing the fasces (traditional symbols of imperium and authority); when outside the pomerium, axes were added to the fasces to indicate an "imperial" magistrate's power to enact capital punishment outside of Rome (the axes were removed within the pomerium). The number of lictors in attendance upon a magistrate was an overt indication of the degree of imperium. When in the field, a curule magistrate possessing an imperium greater or equal to praetorian imperium wore a sash ritually knotted on the front of his cuirass. Further any man executing imperium within his sphere of influence was entitled to the curule chair.

The Mace at the House of Commons and Queen's Park are two good examples of modern fasces. What sort of Mace does President Hova carry?

[AD]

i like beats and rhymes. woot

[Calamity Jane]

allison...I've thought this many times before...and this last post of yours just sealed it!

will you be my friend?

you're awfully clever and well-spoken (written), kind, compassionate, fair-minded, and passionate. To sum up...I think you ROCK!

[NewRider]

What's this new hip hop thing everyone's talking about?

[Dr_Evil_Mouse]

It seems to me that this line of argument is cut from the same cloth as any stardard doctrinaire Marxist prediction of incipient revolution resulting from rise of class consciousness, or Charles Manson predicting that blacks were about to ignite the great apocalyptic war in America.

[allison]

AD-your post made me laugh out loud.

Calamity Jane- right back at you AND your husband. You might want to experience me drunk before sealing the deal though-I'm loud, brash, given to uncontrollable giggling, and overly fond of nonsense and jokes in very poor taste.Oh and heckling-I like heckling.Smart by day...not so smart by night!!

Luke-it is bourgeois not to point out the oligarchy-but that not what you said initially.Maybe we differ on who the oligarchy is-I'm saying its NOT the pharmies and the Angels.Those are just the visible villains palatable to the middle class-just pawns.

The real oligarchy has alot more cover and alot less scruples.

Thanks for the "come,come" pat on the head-that was sweet.We'll keep dancin'.

[allison]

What sort of Mace does President Hova carry?

Beyonce?

[djmelbatoast]

[color:purple]Yeah, you're right, that Jay-Z song about pimping hoes is going to save the world.

[Calamity Jane]

You might want to experience me drunk before sealing the deal though-I'm loud, brash, given to uncontrollable giggling, and overly fond of nonsense and jokes in very poor taste.Oh and heckling-I like heckling.

separated at birth??

oh, we'll get along just fine, methinks! We can up the heckling ante to a level not yet heard or seen in the jamband world!

[color:purple]Yeah, you're right, that Jay-Z song about pimping hoes is going to save the world.

thank god! I thought this saving the world thing was going to fall to us regular, enviro-minded folks. Wow...that's a load of my plate!!!

[phishtaper]

stardard doctrinaire Marxist prediction of incipient revolution resulting from rise of class consciousness

exactly!!

[popo weenie]

What's this new hip hop thing everyone's talking about?

maybe the bunny

what and heck is everyone talking about

our world just blew up, or did it?

[kung]

The thing is Blacks are about to ignite an apocalyptic war in America. The CIA's constructed Crips vs. Bloods gang war only briefly in the timespan of American history derailed the Afrocentric political movement. Forget about Obama, hell forget about Osama. Show Hova.

They done fucked up when they killed Tookie.

One way that a tyrrany or a false democracy retains it's Imperium is in the power of its legal structure to execute citizens. Clearly however with renditions and the Global Ghost Prison System completely out in the light of day, although buried by channel after channel of manufactured consent, it is not just the court appointed that conduct assassinations any more. Also corporate assassination clearly exists.

This next battle is going to be the Battle Within. There aren't going to be any casualties and there aren't going to be any survivors. MK Ultra just went underground. Now we've got to overstand MK Ultra.

And now allison is going to tell us who is actually pulling the strings.

[YearsAlongTheSea]

You sound a little white for the battle you babble....

[paisley]

definatly been loads of great hip hop come along... krs one was one of the top 5 shows I've ever seen... like early punk or early techno I'm partial to the pure level of the art born out of desperate kids who create an honest means of expessing themselves... kinda makes me sick when every music awards show I see these days is just shoving the hip hop down your throat

understand there's a lot of philosophy behind the movement, but at the end of the day hip hop is a style of music and is going to overthrow america as much as funk/soul/motown or the hippies did... which is to say not much outside of making a small portion of society a hell of a lot of money... along with inspiring a demographic of a generation of society to attempt to re-create themselves (a good thing) but they'll eventually go back to work... once everyone's a gangsta suddenly gangstas become real boring... and money trumps ideology, kills it

[kung]

Hip Hop's not a colour it's a way of life.

And my niggas shit kills your Jew weed every time sucka.

[kung]

a hell of a lot of money

= Historical Materialism