kung Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 (edited) Look I don't want to sound any more conspiratorial than I already do but this is something I've been aware of for a while.I am in the midst of devoting my new life to my life partner and to the nation of Hip Hop. I believe that Hip Hop is the New Rome and that if the nation of Hip Hop fails the entire civilized world will fail.This is not some random conjecture. This comes from a detailed understanding of the history of Egypt, the Greek polis (city state), Plato's Republic and the greek Tragedians and social commentators, Roman civil life and developments throughout the Middle Ages, Renaissance (the resurgence of Neo-Platonism) and up into the modern age.Rome collapsed after the assassination of Caesar. Rome needed a tyrant like Caesar to try to bring equanimity between the nobles and the people of Rome: the senate and the people. It is no surprise that our Canadian and American system both emulate the Roman Senate although the Congress is more significant. In the American Congress even John McCain will tell you Washington is run by Soft Money.In Canada we are so incredibly corrupt, media conglomerates like BellGlobeMedia literally suppress information that does not suit their stockholders whims, that we have soft money flowing vigorously through our economy. Cocaine and Marijuana is the spine of our economy not the fat and it feeds into property, government kickbacks, police kickbacks, and all levels of the economy. The police catch %1-2 of the drugs and that is what organized crime tips them to.There are far more powerful drug cartels with a much heavier presence than the representatives that for instance the Hell's Angels have at Queen's Park and Parliament though.These drug dealers can poison and pollute our nations youth, create birth defects, cause suicides, corrupt food and distribution chains, pull as much fresh water out of the province as they can bottle and poison the existing water supply with chemical and agricultural runoffs. We can do nothing to stop these Drug Dealers and Corporate Polluter because our govenment is but a figurehead.In any case the illicit drug economy is far more substantial than the agricultural, automotive or manufacturing bases. Which is to say nothing of how employees of all those economies, particularly Queen's Park and Bay Street, pay substantial parts of their own incomes into the Drug and Sex trade. I'm glad they do this because I know many resourceful exotic dancers and hustlers who own several condos as a result and put their young boys through Montessori schools. Don't feel bad for these women. A drug dealer can only turn so many custies on and custies can only earn so much, borrow so much, steal so much. A young hustler like a dancer can get a man to give her a car or a house. Now that's a hustle! Edited April 8, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kung Posted April 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Enter The Blue Flame.Dynasty Niggas.ROC LA FAMILIA. It's a secret society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted April 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 "Get Your Mind Right Mami"(feat. Memphis Bleek, Snoop Dogg)[Jay-Z]Sup ma? You want to roll with us, y'knowhatI'msayin?It's good, it's love, it's all loveWe got cases of Belvedere, we gon' play truth or dareWe gon' really get to know one anotherAll you gotta do is put your hair down, get your mind rightKnahmean? I'm here for you, yoRelax yourself, let your conscience be freeYou now rollin with them thugs from the R-O-CAin't no place on the planet that you'd rather bebut in the blue flame, bitch you're new to the gameCross over to the Roc, make yourself hotThe topic of discussion in every nail shopIt's a secret society, all we ask is trustand within a week, watch your arm freeze upBrassiere get right, A to a D cupWeave get tight, pedicure your feet upEars get iced, gear get spicedFrom hoodrat to superstar, there's your lifeFuck with Hova, he can take you out of your hellSay bye to Reebok, say hi to ChanelSay hi to Gucci, Prada as wellTake a look in the mirror, be proud of yourself[Chorus w/ singer][J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind rightYou gotta play your part when you're rollin with the R-O-C[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind rightYou gotta know what it takes to be down with a nigga like me[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind rightI need a gangsta girl, who can ride in my passenger seat[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind rightAnd I need gangsta girls, for my gangsta family[Memphis Bleek]Yo, I'm young Memphis, used to play the apprenticeNow I'm like the teacher, c'mere, let me teach yahow to play them benches, hold this work in your denturesHow to play it cool when police come to pinch usRelax mami, let the Belvy flowInhale the 'dro, exhale it slowI could teach you how to roll, teach you bout fly kicksTeach you how to keep your nose up out of my shitWhen the beeper goes off, please don't reachlike you put a ring or spend cheese on BleekGet your mind right baby, goin through mine crazyWhen I'm in the shower, *69 me crazyTrack my last call, contact my broadwith a bitch ?? had physical contact in the mallYou got issues {*inhales*} problems you need to iron outI will, holla, for now you on time out[Chorus w/ singer and Snoop]You gotta play your part when you're rollin with the R-O-C C'mon little mama, c'monYou gotta know what it takes to be down with a nigga like me[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right C'mon little mama, c'monI need a gangsta girl, who can ride in my passenger seat[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right C'mon baby girl, c'monAnd I need gangsta girls, for my gangsta family[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind right C'mon little mama, c'mon[snoop Dogg]P-I-M-P-ologyI played you and you paid meBelieve me when I tell you girl I know you a freakfor fuckin with me, that ain't all you can beJust put your mind to it you can go real farI know times gettin hard on the boulevardThey say, pimpin is dead; man, pimpin ain't deadThese hoes just scared and they blind tryin and dyin to be leadBut who's to lead 'em? Talk shit to 'em and beat 'emGet they mind right and feed 'emNow I don't need 'em (uh uh) but I can do that therePut on a three-piece suit and Shirley Temple my hairso I can, feel like a player when I walk in the placeGot yo' bitch all on my line and now she up in my faceIs this yo' bitch is that yo' bitch cause if she's not she mineShe fallin fo' a nigga and I ain't even dropped a line[Chorus w/ Snoop]Get out my limelight bitch and get your mind rightC'mon little mama, c'monGet your mind right bitch, get your mind rightC'mon baby girl, c'mon, c'monYou gotta play your part when you're rollin with the R-O-C[J] Get your mind right mami, get your mind rightYou gotta know what it takes to be down with a nigga like me[J] Get your mind right ma, get your mind rightI need a gangsta girl, who can ride in my passenger seat[J] Got ta get your mind right baby, get your mind rightAnd I need gangsta girls for my gangsta family[Jay-Z]Get your mind right mami, get your mind rightGet your mind right ma, get your mind right huh?Got ta get your mind right baby, get your mind right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 politcal forum, suckas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 As an upper middle class white kid I am always sort of sure that Im going to say something completley assinine when wading into a discussion about so called Hip Hop culture but here goes....If you are saying that Hip Hop is the Republic of disenfranchised,american kids from the ghetto (I have a vague recollection of hearing that before-that metaphor) than I guess I get it in a way.That is that it was a method of equalization and enoblement, a way to compete and gain autonomy in a system that created the marginalization in the first place. I don't at all see how that applicable across the board though, nor how civilization would fail because of it.Hip Hops excesses could be just seen as the decadence and glorification of the underbelly of the culture it had to fight against.The business opportunities that the "establishment"-atleast publicly- turned its nose at,were the opportunities that presented themselves for the marginalized to get a leg up.The hustle is a finely developed business acumen with the raw goods available-and admirable for being such.But it also makes everything in life a commodity-from the 30$ blow to the multimillion dollar empires of Diddy and Jay-Z.Maybe its somehow seems more honest when its all on sale out front-but I personally find it distasteful.The "hustle " isn't an shining integral creation of hip hop-its a survival mechanism, a symptom. The hustle is a way to get some of your own and on your own terms (sort of) against obstacles, in a system trying to keep you down.If you become part of the system or rise above it, is the hustle still your culture?Or just a tool of the past.Soft money?Please-its hardly new.Its also very bourgeois to assume that drugs and pharmies are the biggest hidden forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted April 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Come come Allison. You're bright but you're not THAT bright. Hip Hop is the new Imperium it is a new mode of Authority. It is a matter of how long an Empire can sustain itself and its Legions on ever diminishing stipends. This is how Empires are one and lost, whether or not the legionairres fight for honour or simply their stipend which will disappear. Soon your men will have to fight with their lives for only their honour. That nigga is unstoppable.Even Machiavelli foretold the demise of the Managerial Revolution. Do not depend on an army of mercenaries because when their stipend runs out so does their loyalty.We are also seeing a resurgence of ancient Taoist, Vedantic, Occult and Dark Learning practices all of which are present in Hip Hop's hustle and flow. Hip Hop is simply gongfu, disciplined skill, like rolling fine tea leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Come come Allison. You're bright but you're not THAT bright. odd, i thot Allison IS that bright. but really, no sense is writing anything earth-shattering here, because it will just be deleted anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Hip Hop Peaked long before the Blueprint. If it were an empire, the lead in the pipes would be killing the population now. The part of George W or Ceaser could be played by 50 Cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted April 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 And Allison I'm pretty sure it's bourgeouis NOT to point out how the Oligarchy, ie. your family, rules the country not the government. I thought taxation without representation went overboard with the tea in the Boston Harbour.Imperium as a personal characteristicIn ancient Rome imperium could be used as a term indicating a characteristic of people, the measure of formal power they had. This qualification could be used in a rather loose context (for example poets used it, not necessarily writing about state officials), but in the Roman society it was also a more formal concept of legal authority. A man with imperium had in principle absolute authority to apply the law within the scope of his magistracy or promagistracy (see below), but could be vetoed or overruled by a magistrate or promagistrate having imperium maius (a higher degree of imperium) or, as most republican magistratures were multiple (not quite collegial: each could act on his own), by the equal power of his colleague, e.g. the other Consul. Some modern scholars (e.g. A.H.M. Jones) have defined it as "the power vested by the state in a person to do what he considers to be in the best interests of the state."Imperium can be distinguished from regnum, or royal power, which was inherited. Imperium was originally a military concept, the power of the imperator (general in the army) to command. The word derives from the Latin verb imperare, to command. The title imperator was applied to the emperor, who, like the president of the United States, was the commander of the armed forces. In fact, the Latin word imperator gives us the English word emperor.Imperium was indicated in two prominent ways. A "curule" magistrate or promagistrate carried an ivory baton surmounted by an eagle as his personal symbol of office (cf. field marshal's baton). Any such magistrate was also escorted by lictors bearing the fasces (traditional symbols of imperium and authority); when outside the pomerium, axes were added to the fasces to indicate an "imperial" magistrate's power to enact capital punishment outside of Rome (the axes were removed within the pomerium). The number of lictors in attendance upon a magistrate was an overt indication of the degree of imperium. When in the field, a curule magistrate possessing an imperium greater or equal to praetorian imperium wore a sash ritually knotted on the front of his cuirass. Further any man executing imperium within his sphere of influence was entitled to the curule chair.The Mace at the House of Commons and Queen's Park are two good examples of modern fasces. What sort of Mace does President Hova carry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 i like beats and rhymes. woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity Jane Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 allison...I've thought this many times before...and this last post of yours just sealed it!will you be my friend?you're awfully clever and well-spoken (written), kind, compassionate, fair-minded, and passionate. To sum up...I think you ROCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRider Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 What's this new hip hop thing everyone's talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 It seems to me that this line of argument is cut from the same cloth as any stardard doctrinaire Marxist prediction of incipient revolution resulting from rise of class consciousness, or Charles Manson predicting that blacks were about to ignite the great apocalyptic war in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 AD-your post made me laugh out loud.Calamity Jane- right back at you AND your husband. You might want to experience me drunk before sealing the deal though-I'm loud, brash, given to uncontrollable giggling, and overly fond of nonsense and jokes in very poor taste.Oh and heckling-I like heckling.Smart by day...not so smart by night!!Luke-it is bourgeois not to point out the oligarchy-but that not what you said initially.Maybe we differ on who the oligarchy is-I'm saying its NOT the pharmies and the Angels.Those are just the visible villains palatable to the middle class-just pawns.The real oligarchy has alot more cover and alot less scruples.Thanks for the "come,come" pat on the head-that was sweet.We'll keep dancin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 What sort of Mace does President Hova carry? Beyonce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmelbatoast Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 [color:purple]Yeah, you're right, that Jay-Z song about pimping hoes is going to save the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity Jane Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 You might want to experience me drunk before sealing the deal though-I'm loud, brash, given to uncontrollable giggling, and overly fond of nonsense and jokes in very poor taste.Oh and heckling-I like heckling. separated at birth?? oh, we'll get along just fine, methinks! We can up the heckling ante to a level not yet heard or seen in the jamband world! [color:purple]Yeah, you're right, that Jay-Z song about pimping hoes is going to save the world. thank god! I thought this saving the world thing was going to fall to us regular, enviro-minded folks. Wow...that's a load of my plate!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 stardard doctrinaire Marxist prediction of incipient revolution resulting from rise of class consciousness exactly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popo weenie Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 What's this new hip hop thing everyone's talking about?maybe the bunny what and heck is everyone talking about our world just blew up, or did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted April 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 The thing is Blacks are about to ignite an apocalyptic war in America. The CIA's constructed Crips vs. Bloods gang war only briefly in the timespan of American history derailed the Afrocentric political movement. Forget about Obama, hell forget about Osama. Show Hova.They done fucked up when they killed Tookie.One way that a tyrrany or a false democracy retains it's Imperium is in the power of its legal structure to execute citizens. Clearly however with renditions and the Global Ghost Prison System completely out in the light of day, although buried by channel after channel of manufactured consent, it is not just the court appointed that conduct assassinations any more. Also corporate assassination clearly exists.This next battle is going to be the Battle Within. There aren't going to be any casualties and there aren't going to be any survivors. MK Ultra just went underground. Now we've got to overstand MK Ultra.And now allison is going to tell us who is actually pulling the strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearsAlongTheSea Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 You sound a little white for the battle you babble.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 definatly been loads of great hip hop come along... krs one was one of the top 5 shows I've ever seen... like early punk or early techno I'm partial to the pure level of the art born out of desperate kids who create an honest means of expessing themselves... kinda makes me sick when every music awards show I see these days is just shoving the hip hop down your throatunderstand there's a lot of philosophy behind the movement, but at the end of the day hip hop is a style of music and is going to overthrow america as much as funk/soul/motown or the hippies did... which is to say not much outside of making a small portion of society a hell of a lot of money... along with inspiring a demographic of a generation of society to attempt to re-create themselves (a good thing) but they'll eventually go back to work... once everyone's a gangsta suddenly gangstas become real boring... and money trumps ideology, kills it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted April 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Hip Hop's not a colour it's a way of life.And my niggas shit kills your Jew weed every time sucka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kung Posted April 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 a hell of a lot of money = Historical Materialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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