The Chameleon Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 This Halladay deal is brutal for the Jays.Here we go again. Toronto gives up an allstar and in return gets nothing substantial. This alwyas happens.The Raptors are notoroious for this too.See Vince CarterSee Tracy McGradyThis is not a good way for this GM to start.ROUGH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wooly Mammoth Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 thi strades needs time for proper evaluation. they got some top prospects. they were going to, ta best, finish fourth in the AL east in 2009 and then lose halladay. they got good value for him. and will be significantly better in 2011 and beyond, than they would have been without this trade. it's actually a great start for the new GM. although I would have rather seen Aumont than Drabek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I don't think it's brutal at all. They did exactly what they wanted to do, for better or worse. They ditched a TON of salary, got 2 top of the line prospects and did all that they could to accommodate Doc the honourable way which was get this shit done so he can do what he does best and play ball. I am pretty interested in seeing Doc hit and i'll get my opportunity when Halladay returns to the Skydome in June '10....and I'm gonna give that fucker the standing "O" of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I'm gonna give that fucker the standing "O" of his life.He deserves it. Roy was one classy guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Apparently one of the prospects has failed his physical, not sure if it is a player traded to the Jays. thi strades needs time for proper evaluation. they got some top prospects. they were going to, ta best, finish fourth in the AL east in 2009 and then lose halladay. they got good value for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 and did all that they could to accommodate Doc the honourable way which was get this sh!t done so he can do what he does best and play ball. Fuck nobility when you are running a professional sports franchise. As a GM, your number one priority is to build a winner. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 and did all that they could to accommodate Doc the honourable way which was get this sh!t done so he can do what he does best and play ball. Fuck nobility when you are running a professional sports franchise. As a GM' date=' your number one priority is to build a winner. That's it.[/quote']Just because you say something doesn't make it true. That's it. I personally believe there is room for ethics and morality in big business and I think it was displayed here regardless of your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Are the Jays mathematically eliminated yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-towns Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wooly Mammoth Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 fine, they got good expected value in the trade. they're prospects. which means there is risk associated with them. that's why he got three players back. if those guys were all sure things, one or two would have been enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 C-untztowns got me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Are the Jays mathematically eliminated yet?Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I actually didn't mean for that post to sound so nasty (for once) I'll bet they win 100 games this coming season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I bet you dont make good on your bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I just have to print it out and remember to bring it home.....doing it now. fuck it, it's Whisky night so it'll probably get done this eve done and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) Erased until tonight. Edited December 17, 2009 by Guest meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I have to stop reading that immediately, you are ruining the video! And would it have killed you to throw in an Em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 sorry. Em it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I think it was a great deal for the Jays. The guys they got were ranked what 2,3 & 7 in Phillies' prospect list. Way better then a year of nothing and two draft picks that will take 5 years to develop.All these guys have upside. My concern is where Wallace will play. The Jays say first, but the reports I read say he wants to play third. Plus, I thought the plan was going to be to move Lind over their. I guess if Wallace can make the team out of camp he'll probably be either 1b or 3b depending on whether they can move EE or Overbay. Maybe he even gets in at DH and spends time getting better at 1B til Ovebay goes.Drabek should help what is already a bunch of good young arms. Sure no stud, but even Doc went from first round, to MLB and all the way back down before becoming what he is. So there is hope.The catcher may develop and there are 2 others similar, so hopefully somebody grabs the bull by the horns.Hopeful/projected lineupLind - LFWells - CFSnider - RFBautista - 4th OF3rd - Wallace/EESS - Gonzo2B - Hill1b - Ovebay/Daporik/Ruiz/Lind/WallaceDH - Lind/Ruiz/WallaceC - Buck/that other guy they signed/ChavezUtil - Johnny MacSP - Marcum, Romero, mzpeieghezckiy, (Cecil, Mills, Purcey, Zach Johnson, Litch, McGowan)Closer - Frasor/ why can't I remember lefties' name right nowFine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 the lefty is Carlson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 ...or Downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Downs.But I'm hearing now that Downs, Tallet, Overbay are all on the block if there is anything good out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wooly Mammoth Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 found this online:The strangest part of this trade was how Oakland was able to creep in on the trade. Regardless of what you think of Billy Beane and Moneyball, I think Beane pulled off a hell of a trade getting Taylor for Brett Wallace. Some are skeptical as to whether or not Taylor will indeed be able to hit Major League pitching. He is an very athletic player who is not overly talented but he has continously put up above average numbers as he has progressed through the Majors. Believers see an easy 20/20 outfielder. We rank Taylor and Wallce as the 22nd and 26th best fantasy prospects in baseball resepctively. However, much of the rationale for having Wallace that high is his proximity to the Majors. If our rankings were based on potential I’m not sure Wallace would be in the top 75. For Oakland the trade was a no-brainer because they already have a very serious prospect in Chris Carter to take over 1B and I don’t think Wallace has the defensive skills to be an everyday 3B, or position player for that matter, in the Majors. I think he and Mat Gamel are very similar players. Big prospects who flame out when they get close to the Majors and can’t find regualr gigs because they can’t play defense. I hope they prove me wrong but I tend to stay away from prospects I don’t think can be anything more than DHs. So with Carter, Wallace was expendable and Beane picked up a potential All-Star OF who could legitimately crack the 2010 Opening Day roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 See maybe just maybe thats true. But you can't look at any of the trades or building on its own. As a whole, Jays have Wells in the outfield for fucking ever, then you have to have spots for Lind & Snider (is there anyone working there way up?). If the idea is to move Wallace to 1B then you have to look at what, if anything, they get back for Overbay and incorporate that into the trade as well. Or how they spend the Overbay money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Is Pat Gillick still GM for Philly? Over the last half year they have basically traded something like four picks for two picks and Roy Halladay. Anti-Ritardi'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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