jaxtraw Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I was just browsing The Archive to notice no more Dead SBD's. Darn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 none?wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearsAlongTheSea Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 They must have made an adjustment to their trading policies.Sucks.Get 'em while you can I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phorbesie Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 they are gonna start releasing them as albums (ie. dicks picks), that's why they took them off.i remember someone warning me about this a few months ago, but i never got around to downloading any of them.ARGH!!! sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 It's still cool to have all the audience recordings but the internet just got a little less awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chameleon Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartamophone Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Disappointing. It's their music, but damn is it ever nice to be able to get it for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon. Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 wow.that does truely suck - thank god i was obsessive enough to download a vast number of shows. I was just really getting my teeth into the 70s though...I understand removing a show once it was an official GD release, but this seems a wee bit cheesy....Jerry would not have approved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Thats bull shit - Phil's going to hear about this from me next week... Thats pathetic. As if they don't get enough out of what they sell...Thats sad."You don't need a miracle, you need $42.50"Fuck bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Fuck bobby. That's where I'll start (sorry, Hux ). This is appalling. Who do you complain to, in a capitalist economy? I mean, what, were people at the Garcia Estate reading our QOTD thread today or something? Somebody run out of coke money? WTF? That does it. From now on, I'm only going to listen to live music off the floor. Bwahahhahahhhah! No, seriously.... I see it's running really slow - there must be a rush on with people seeing if this is true. At least there are audience recordings to stream/listen to. God bless the tapers. Back to the 80s, then, for finding hi-fidelity recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Reading the LMA forums, heres the message from the admin at archive.The Internet Archive has worked with tapers, tape traders, funders, admins, and over 1000 bands to build a great non-commercial music library that is freely accessible. Technically and policy-wise, it has been invigorating as you can probably appreciate. We have made changes in the past and we will make changes again. Following the policies of the Grateful Dead and the Dead communities we have provided non-commercial access to thousands of great concerts. Based on discussions with many involved, the Internet Archive has been asked to change how the Grateful Dead concert recordings are being distributed on the Archive site for the time being. The full collection will remain safe in the Archive for preservation purposes. Here is the plan: Audience recordings are available in streaming format (m3u). Soundboard recordings are not available. Additionally, the Grateful Dead recordings will be separated from the Live Music Archive into its own collection. The metadata and reviews for all shows and recordings will remain available. We appreciate that this change will be a surprise and upset many of you, but please channel reactions in ways that you genuinely think will be productive. If we keep the bigger picture in mind that there are many experiments going on right now, and experiments working well, we can build on the momentum that tape trading started decades ago. Working together we can keep non-commercial sharing part of our world. Thank you for helping find balances that work for all involved. -brewster Digital Librarian and Founder -Matt Vernon Volunteer GD Archivist http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=47634 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 We appreciate that this change will be a surprise and upset many of you, but please channel reactions in ways that you genuinely think will be productive.That's too funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartamophone Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Alright, now I'm genuinely pissed. Taking off the SBDs is one thing, but to not allow downloading is going too far, I think, and violates the spirit of the band and community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 but the spirit of that band no longer exists....it died long ago....(and this just further proves it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonyak Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 ack!!! I just deleted like 30 good soundboards off my harddrive.. I was gonna start downloading more..this makes me sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 "There's something to be said for being able to record an experience you've liked... My responsibility to the notes is over after I've played them. At that point I don't care where they go. They've left home you know." "Man, after we get done playing it, we're done with it. The people can do whatever they want to with it." - Jerry Garcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 IF, this is going to mean that peer-peer trading is going to become obsolete for the Dead's music, then I am going to have NO problem liberally stealing from them...............I didnt do it before, but the flood gates are about to open. Say "hello" to owning every single Dicks Picks. Up to this point I had purchased every dvd. Well, forget that shite. Yeah, and I am going to let them know it as well.customerservice@gdstore.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\/\/illy Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Perhaps we should start a list of which soundboard recordings each of us have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 IF, this is going to mean that peer-peer trading is going to become obsolete for the Dead's music, then I am going to have NO problem liberally stealing from them...............Guess I'll be using stream ripper a bit more often now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 While I'm crushed by this news as well, I will play devil's advocate:You are all a bunch of spoiled wookie brats. Full stop.No other band EVER has literally given away the MASSIVE amount of free music as the GD have for the last 40 years. No other band. Not one. Just try to name one.And I'm not just talking about allowing taping, I'm talking about opening up their own vaults of sbd recordings WIDE OPEN for all - for years (LATVALA!), Phish never came close to that.So really, you should be thankful for the tremendous and unprecedented generosity this band has offered over the years. Remember how we used to get shows before torrents and the archive....oh yeah - trading and B&P's. There is no reason you can't get EVERY soundboard and more via the that route, it's just gonna take a weeee bit more effort, but not much. Just think of the old days dubbing Maxell XLII's, think of how far we've come, and all along the generosity of the band.Pretty UN-Grateful bunch here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity Jane Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 c'mon Huxy...ain't no ungratitude here...of course we're grateful for what we were given...we just got used to it, is all, and came to expect it to continue. But as people have so rightly pointed out, the spirit of the band died about a decade ago. My main concern is to see how well they live up to their promise:Working together we can keep non-commercial sharing part of our world. Thank you for helping find balances that work for all involved. -brewster Digital Librarian and Founder -Matt Vernon Volunteer GD Archivist 'cause this all seems fishy to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 While I'm crushed by this news as well, I will play devil's advocate:You are all a bunch of spoiled wookie brats. Full stop.No other band EVER has literally given away the MASSIVE amount of free music as the GD have for the last 40 years. No other band. Not one. Just try to name one.And I'm not just talking about allowing taping, I'm talking about opening up their own vaults of sbd recordings WIDE OPEN for all - for years (LATVALA!), Phish never came close to that.So really, you should be thankful for the tremendous and unprecedented generosity this band has offered over the years. Remember how we used to get shows before torrents and the archive....oh yeah - trading and B&P's. There is no reason you can't get EVERY soundboard and more via the that route, it's just gonna take a weeee bit more effort, but not much. Just think of the old days dubbing Maxell XLII's, think of how far we've come, and all along the generosity of the band.Pretty UN-Grateful bunch here. Is that Weir's press release or is that your own statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I just haven't seen any reason for why they (GD mgmt) changed their minds. If they had said, from the beginning, that uploads were OK, except for SBDs, that would have been fine, and the curators could have made sure there weren't any. But the only rule they put in was no SBDs of released (e.g., Dick's Picks) shows. Has archive.org affected sales of GD releases? That's the only reason I can think of.Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chameleon Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Even worse, now almost every Dead show in the Live Archive is available for Streaming purposes only!What a piss off. I've rolled literally thousands of dollars following the GFrateful Dead, buying thier music and merch. and now this!Like Bouche siad stream ripper is theh way to go.So too bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 May 11th 1999In a major policy initiative by one of the nation's most enduring musical groups, the Grateful Dead will, under strict guidelines prohibiting commercial use, allow free Internet downloads of live performances taped by their fans via the popular but controversial MP3 format, the group's attorney, Eric Doney, announced today."The members of the Grateful Dead feel this decision is important and far reaching for both the band and their fans," Doney said. "This MP3 policy continues the band's long tradition of allowing free access to and trading of live recordings of their music and ensures that fans are not left with outmoded technology." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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