Hal Johnson Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Manny Ramirez To David Ortiz: 'Road Trip' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peipunk Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Praise be to Schwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 woohoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 lets hope they go on a winning streak until they face wakefield again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchoulia Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Every team hits a slump/losing streak. People need to relax. Jays have the talent. Once the injuries subside, it's just going to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Fair to say. But at the same time, when the losing streak is much longer than any winning streak this year I think the concerns are legitimate. Hope they've turned it around though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Good seeing them take 2 of 3 games from the Red Sox this weekend. Nice to see them light up Wakefield after he had nailed them in their last meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 if there was any doubt about who the best pitcher in the league is, i think last nights game solved that. Halladay is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I don't like the 138 pitches line myself. I really don't.Sure he's the best. I agree. But 138 pitches is too much to make a guy throw. Give someone else the 9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Cito: How ya feeling Doc.Doc: I feel good, feel strong.End of conversation. If the best pitcher in the league, who is known for having the most stringent routine of practice and preparation says he's good to go, you let him. He's earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Right. And he would have said "I've thrown too many pitches" if thats how he felt right? Atheletes don't pull themselves from games.Sure, give Doc a little more lee-way. Thats called 120 pitches.He is the best in the game. The playoff chances are zero without him. Can't think of how to incorporate this so, what do Litche, Marcum, McGowan, Jansen, Ryan, Accardo and I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting have in common? They've all blown their arms out playing for the Jays in the past 3 years.All I'm saying is don't add Doc. It wasn't a no hitter. It wasn't a shut out. It was a lot of pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 MoMack, you assume 138 pitches is too much. Based on what exactly? Do you have a gut feel for these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 he's not gonna throw for what? 3 nights now? big deal... he doesn't do this every game, they needed to gut out a big win... I'm with cito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Halladay WILL NOT throw more often than every 5 days. He is extremely particular about this. He knows his limits and so does the club. sidenote: Momack is always wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I hope you're all right. I'm sure that the whole 100 pitch count thing is just made up. None of these teams that try and stick to it and have millions and millions and millions of dollars invested in their pitcher's arms would have done the research.100 pitches is the standard. Sure you give a workhorse more, by 38% more? Thats too much. Especially on a team that is getting a reputation for injured pitchers...It catches up eventaully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I hope you're all right. I'm sure that the whole 100 pitch count thing is just made up. None of these teams that try and stick to it and have millions and millions and millions of dollars invested in their pitcher's arms would have done the research.100 pitches is the standard. Sure you give a workhorse more, by 38% more? Thats too much. Especially on a team that is getting a reputation for injured pitchers...It catches up eventaully.Pitch counts are a concern for young pitchers, pitchers recovering from injury, or pitchers who have a history of injuries. The pitcher wants to keep the pitch count low because of his stamina. Often a starting pitcher will be removed from the game after 100 pitches, regardless of the actual number of innings pitched, as it is reckoned to be the maximum optimal pitch count for a starting pitcher. [color:blue]Pitch counts are sometimes less of a concern for veteran pitchers, who after years of conditioning are often able to pitch deeper into games. A pitcher's size, stature, athleticism, and pitches style (and/or type of pitch thrown) can also play a role in how many pitches a pitcher can throw in a single game while maintaining effectiveness and without risking injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I hope you're all right. I'm sure that the whole 100 pitch count thing is just made up. None of these teams that try and stick to it and have millions and millions and millions of dollars invested in their pitcher's arms would have done the research.100 pitches is the standard. Sure you give a workhorse more, by 38% more? Thats too much. Especially on a team that is getting a reputation for injured pitchers...It catches up eventaully.It hasn't caught up to Halladay, yet. He's a throwback pitcher and has been mostly managed by old school coaches, including Gibbons (former catcher) and Cito. This era's pitchers are coddled, but coddling doesn't work with Halladay - and that Halladay clone Greinke in KC.I agree with Tabler's statement last night that pitch-counts aren't that important - that it matters how hard the pitcher is throwing and whether he looks tired or not. Halladay was throwing really hard in the 9th, striking out 2 of 3.Also, do you feel comfortable taking Halladay out after one bad inning and giving the ball over to Jesse Carlson or B.J. Ryan in the 8th? I do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-towns Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Especially on a team that is getting a reputation for injured pitchers...I'd like to see you try and prove how being on the Jays makes you more susceptible to throwing out your arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I dont' need to prove it. I just need to notice that there are a lot of severely injured arms on the jays the past few years, combined with the generally accepted principle that 100 pitches is a max. 100 fine. 110 fine. 120 if you're Halladay, fine. 138 is a lot. I'm a big jays supporter. Point is that a season is 162 games. To be successful they need Halladay to win what, 18-22 of em, start 35 or so, and have 30 quality starts. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 c-towns bringing the heat..........love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-towns Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 what do Litche, Marcum, McGowan, Jansen, Ryan, Accardo and I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting have in common? I bet if you go back over the last 3 years all of these starters got yanked before 100 pitches more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 My quick internet search didn't turn up Halladay's injury history. But I got this from Wiki (and yes, I know he says it happened pre-season - point is, it happens):2004In 2004, Halladay was placed on the disabled list twice due to right shoulder problems. In just 133.0 innings, he went 8–8 with a 4.20 ERA. He walked 39 batters, seven more than he had walked in 2003 when he had pitched twice as many innings. He later revealed that he had been injured throughout the entire season with a "tired throwing arm", which he believed was from intense workouts in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Janssen had a pretty bad outing last night. Weaver pitched a gem for sure but Janssen had nothing working last night. Gotta take the series tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 You do know it's 2009 right Mo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Most of the Jays starters don't pitch that many innings or throw too many pitches. Halladay is abnormal that way.In 2005, Roy had 5 complete games, 4 in 2006, 7 in 2007 and 9 in 2008. If anything, he's stronger now than before his shoulder injury (I can't see him getting more than 5-6 this year, and he won't catch that Greinke kid in KC). And all pitchers have injuries, but Roy's are often non-pitching related. However, Brad Arnsberg said that Halladay's forearm injury - a strain - was due to Roy adding a cut fastball into his usual rotation in 2005. May 31, 2007: Missed 18 games (appendicitis).May 11, 2007: Appendicitis, 15-day DL.Apr 22, 2006: Missed 9 games (forearm injury).Apr 11, 2006: Forearm injury, day-to-day.Mar 16, 2006: Signed by the Toronto Blue Jays to a three-year contract extension.Oct 2, 2005: Missed 76 games to the end of the season (left leg injury).Jul 9, 2005: Left leg injury, 15-day DL (left leg injury).Sep 21, 2004: Missed 61 games (right shoulder injury).Jul 20, 2004: Right shoulder injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to July 17th).Jun 12, 2004: Missed 14 games (right shoulder injury).Jun 3, 2004: Right shoulder injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to May 28th).Jun 1, 2004: Right shoulder injury, day-to-day.Jan 22, 2004: Re-signed by the Toronto Blue Jays to a four-year contract.Jan 17, 2003: Agreed to terms on a one-year contract.Jun 30, 2001: Recalled from Syracuse (AAA).Mar 29, 2001: Optioned to Dunedin (A). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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